[Seaside] Ideas worth stealing

[Conrad Taylor]

Hi Todd, the tools within Smalltalk are many years ahead of the tools the
exist in the RoR.  However, they are starting to get better with projects
like Rubinious and MagLev.  Also, please don't get me wrong because I do
like RoR and that's one of the languages that I use on a regular basis.
 Next, please remember that Seaside is open source as well as the
ActiveScaffold plugin that you mention.  Thus, the Smalltalk community is
always looking for people to build and architect various API to make system
better.  Are you interested in building such a component for Seaside?  It
would be great if you are because it could benefit the entire community.
-Conrad

On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Todd Blanchard <tblanchard at mac.com> wrote:

> I watched the screencast.  It is not the same thing.  I think you guys are
> missing something key in that project of yours.
>
> Active scaffold simply lets me point the app at a db and ZAM total admin UI
> that looks nice with AJAX master detail editing.  I can then filter out
> attributes that people ought not to edit, apply permissions, and decorate
> the app with task links.
>
> The demo shows app development.  I didn't develop a thing apart from
> specify some mappings because the database used weird and inconsistent
> naming conventions.
>
> I also found it interesting that the app being developed in the screencast
> didn't look nearly as sophisticated as the tools being used to build it.  I
> don't find that a good selling point.
>
> -Todd Blanchard
>
>
> On May 30, 2008, at 4:28 AM, James Robertson wrote:
>
>  Cincom is doing exactly that - combining the ActiveRecord pattern with
>> scaffolding.  Have a look here:
>>
>>
>> http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/userblogs/mls/blogView?showComments=true&printTitle=WebVelocity_alpha_screencast&entry=3388846573
>>
>> James Robertson
>> Cincom Smalltalk Product Evangelist
>> http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/blog/blogView
>> Talk Small and Carry a Big Class Library
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 30, 2008, at 3:13 AM, Todd Blanchard wrote:
>>
>>  With the idea that no good idea should go un-stolen, allow me to
>>> introduce seaside fans to active scaffold http://activescaffold.com.
>>>
>>> I am wrapping up a ruby on rails engagement with a client and discovered
>>> this framework.  I ended up using ROR because the client had an existing
>>> mysql database and Squeak's mysql support isn't so hot where rails is all
>>> about mysql, and I had only a couple "flows" but a whole lot of plain old
>>> admin-CRUD to do and rails excels at plain crud on mysql.  With
>>> activescaffold - I had to write very little code for the admin UI - a major
>>> plus because this project is on a very tight timeline.
>>>
>>> Anyhow, activescaffold works with activerecord and infers a really slick
>>> AJAX UI that supports sensible CRUD more or less instantly.  Once installed,
>>> you can go through and customize views by adding actions links, filtering
>>> columns, and generally overriding bits of logic to make it more task
>>> focused.
>>>
>>> It would be really cool to have a similar facility in Seaside.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Todd Blanchard
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