[Seaside] Comparison of Aida/Web, Seaside and Iliad web frameworks

[Janko Mivšek]

Hi Boris,

We need to set a border to where to go with a comparison and this one
has a simple one: out-of the-box features.Wwith few clearly marked
exceptions (like CMS suport etc).

With a reason as you already hinted: it is very hard to compare
including addons. Specially if you don't know exaclty, which ones are,
say, officially suported and which not. Which is a common problem for
all open-source problems, where ranking is not very clear, not only for
Smalltalk ones. I'm aware that Aida with his a bit different, more
all-in-one approach has an advantage here. But again, at least some
comparison is better than nothing, right?

Best regards
Janko


S, Boris Popov, DeepCove Labs piše:

> The issue with including add-ons in this comparison is fundamental - there's actually a focus in making sure the Seaside core focused and everything else is modularized and loadable on top. Now, if you just load Seaside Core and do a comparison, you can then change many of the existing Yays into Nays. So unless we can somehow agree on what's important in 'core' and what's an 'add-on', any meaningful comparison will be impossible to achieve. To take that a bit sideways, who's to say that built-in form validation or even Ajax behavior suits all requirements? I know a number of people who pride themselves on tweaking the smallest bits of behavior to improve their applications and they'll never agree that one-size-fits-all approach to Ajaxifying form is the right thing to do. I'm afraid there's as many opinions as there are people in each community and joint comparison is a bit of a pipe dream. I don't recall seeing Microsoft/Oracle/IBM coordinating on the efforts to create a f
air comparison of their databases, but I do see a lot of comparisons created by those companies to make their products stand out in areas of strength...
> 
> As for multiple sites from the same image, we do it all the time here, which messages are you referring to?
> 
> You can see we're all passionate about our frameworks of choice, so let's thread lightly ;)
> 
> -Boris
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: seaside-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:seaside-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of Janko Mivšek
> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 5:02 PM
> To: Seaside - general discussion
> Subject: Re: [Seaside] Comparison of Aida/Web, Seaside and Iliad web frameworks
> 
> Hi Ramon,
> 
> First calm down, then approach professionally to such a comparison. More below,
> 
> S, Ramon Leon piše:
>> On 06/21/2011 01:17 PM, Janko Mivšek wrote:
>>> So, now I'm inviting all of you to take a look at this Google Docs 
>>> spreadsheet and comment it. This way we will come at least one step 
>>> closer to so needed comparison:
>>
>> Seaside can do clean URL's
> 
> It is a difference if this is essential part of a framework or it is "add on".
> 
>> Seaside most certainly does do automatic URL generation
> 
> Again, in Aida every domain object can have an Url and this one is automatically generated. I'm not aware of such feature in Seaside.
> 
>> Seaside absolutely allows multiple websites served from one image
> 
> Just recent thread shows that this is not true.
> 
>> Seaside supports Comet
> 
> I didn't question that, Comet is already checked. Which technique?
> 
>> Seaside absolutely can do single page apps
> 
> Be aware that we are comparing here out-of-the-box features and not add-ons, not to mention hacks needed for some feature.
> 
>>
>> I give up, too many things wrong or simply labeled in such as way as 
>> to exclude anything other than AIDA from saying yes.
>>
>> Tabulation with Enter... are you kidding me, that has absolutely 
>> nothing to do with a web framework.  That's one of a dozen similar 
>> examples of such things.
> 
> Tabulation with enter is surely very important for any accounting apps where you need to enter rapidly a large amount of numbers from numeric keypad only. Imagine one hand keying up those numbers, how will you pres Tab key that way?
> 
> 
> Best regards
> Janko
> 
> 
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