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norbert at hartl.name
Mon Nov 19 09:11:16 UTC 2007
today evening I decided to play once more with spoon.
On the net I found your description about building a
vm with naiad support.
I can't say I understand the whole spoon process. There are a lot
of things floating around:
1. a modified image (spoon processor changes) to build a vm with naiad
2. the naiad vm
3. minimal memory image
4. control image
Maybe you are able to clarify some questions:
- Is 1. needed after the vm is built?
- What is the control image?
I thought it is sufficient to be able to run the memory.image in an
interpreter simulator and to control the rest from the image of the
interpreter simulator. Is that correct?
However if I'm trying to run the memory image in the interpreter
simulator the image eats my cpu and does nothing. All I can see
is the "Relocating object pointers" Morph. My cpu goes on 100%
and that's it.
Did you make any progress since writing the post?
thanks in advance,
On Fri, 2007-07-06 at 20:54 -0700, Matthew Fulmer wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 06, 2007 at 06:10:22PM -0700, Craig Latta wrote:
> > Hi Norbert--
> > > I saw videos where you showed a graphical browser for the memory of a
> > > remote image. That is pretty much of a functionality. I'd like to
> > > reproduce this as well. Aside from this I have absolutely no clue what
> > > is the status of spoon. Did I miss some important document? (I read
> > > the spoon book already and the netjam web site).
> > I suspect so. The most important things to read are the Spoon
> > progress reports in the Spoon mailing list archives.
> > > Btw. how do work with the spoon image? Do you bootstrap anything or
> > > are you running spoon in the simulator?
> > Here's what I do:
> > - I start the minimal Spoon memory.
> The memory.image distributed with spoon 2a12?
> > - I start a control memory (one with Naiad support in it).
> How do you make that? Which image version do you start with?
> Which VMMaker version do we need to make a vm with the proper
> support in it? How can we run an interpreter simulator using
> this VM? Do I need to go buy a mac? Which os?
> I know you have done more work in spoon than just a "Hello
> World" demo.
> Since there is nothing inside the memory.image distributed with
> 2a12, I need to run the interpreter simulator to see what it is
> doing and why it is halting. Here is what I tried on windows xp:
> - I downloaded http://damien.cassou.free.fr/squeak-dev/sq3.9-7067dev07.6.2.zip and ran it using naiad.exe distributed with spoon 2a12
> - I installed VMMaker-3.8b6.1 from universe
> - I downloaded http://squeakvm.org/win32/release/SqueakVM-Win32-3.10.4-src.zip and unzipped it
> - I filed in spoonProcessorChanges.st
> - I opened VMMakerTool, pointed it at SqueakVM-Win32-3.10.4\platforms
> - I set the platform to win32
> - I generated the source for the core and all plugins internally
> except for:
> - FileCopyPlugin
> - InternetConfigPlugin
> - LargeIntegersPlugin
> - LargeIntegersSimulator
> - MacMenubarPlugin
> - TestOSAPlugin
> - I tried running
> (InterpreterSimulatorLSB new openOn: '..\memory.image') test
> - It failed with MessageNotUnderstood: Bitmap>>swapBytesFrom:to:
> Should I be doing something differently? How do you do it?
> > - I establish a Wormhole connection from the control memory to the
> > minimal memory.
> > - I open a remote browser.
> > - I write code.
> > (I suppose "NaiadPeer" or something like that would be a better
> > name than "Wormhole" and the like.)
> > thanks again,
> > -C
> > --
> > Craig Latta
> > www.netjam.org
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