I'll make sure I take a look at all the *open* instant messaging protocol
designs before I make my pick, but I think squeak would really benefit
from an object instant messaging thing.  Imagine you just drop some
rectangle morph into a bin and *poof* the morph appears in the other
person's bin!  I'd think this would be a great transition in making real
interesting metaverses too...  We could have our own street in the
metaverse...  you get the idea...

Dino


On Thu, 23 Dec 1999, Steve Wart wrote:

> When I used to use a Mac every day (years ago), we used CE QuickMail, which
> had a great little feature called QuickConference.
> 
> It was so elegant and easy to use, I was really quite put off when I finally
> did look at ICQ.  (QuickMail was also a great mail program in general).
> 
> Not being up on the proprietary Instant Messaging Protocol wars, what are
> the options for coming up with an *open* instant messaging protocol?
> 
> I have heard that protocol design is a difficult thing, and I have also
> heard that IRC is for some reason a bad design (probably because it's from
> Scandinavia :-).
> 
> This sounds like a job for Squeak!
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Raab, Andreas [mailto:Andreas.Raab at disney.com]
> > Sent: December 23, 1999 6:11 PM
> > To: squeak at cs.uiuc.edu
> > Subject: RE: InstantMessaging alpha release...
> >
> >
> > Scott and Dean,
> >
> > Excuse my ignorance (I'm living here between two connections - one where I
> > can read email and one where I can do everything else and right now I'm on
> > email so I haven't actually check the instant messaging stuff) but I think
> > that ICQ is using UDP rather than TCP (since there is no point in having
> > zillions of connections open at the same time for a few
> > messages). And AFAIK
> > UDP is not supported on the Mac.
> >
> >   Andreas
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Scott Wallace [mailto:Scott.Wallace at disney.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 23, 1999 5:20 PM
> > > To: Dean Pu Mao
> > > Cc: recipient list not shown
> > > Subject: Re: InstantMessaging alpha release...
> > >
> > >
> > > Dean,
> > >
> > > What a terrific thing to be doing!  This will make a qualitative
> > > difference to the experience of using Squeak, particularly for those
> > > of us who spend a high percentage of our waking hours in a Squeak
> > > image.
> > >
> > > I got your code, got a registered ICQ number from Mirabalis, and
> > > already had an AIM identity, so I fired up an image,  filed in your
> > > code, and executed the precipitating do-it.
> > >
> > > However, it was not successful.  I got the "Messaging" window, but
> > > when I hit the "Connect" button, I quickly fell into a debugger,
> > > "primitive failed", in Socket.primSocket:connectTo:port:.
> > >
> > > Do I perhaps need some custom plug-in, or some custom vm, in order to
> > > use this stuff successfully?  Or could it be that the debug-notifier
> > > is the "normal" way of responding to a request to connect to a user
> > > who is presently offline?
> > >
> > > I'm eager to start using this, but for the moment am stuck...
> > >
> > >    -- Scott
> > >
> > >
> > > At 5:58 PM -0500 12/23/99, Dean Pu Mao wrote:
> > > >Some of you here wanted my instant messaging stuff, so here
> > > it is!  Let
> > > me
> > > >know how you like it.  Better yet, send me an instant message how you
> > > like
> > > >it!  ICQ and AIM messaging are both supported.  ICQ contact list is
> > > >supported, but the AIM buddy list is not yet supported.
> > > You'll need a
> > > >registered ICQ number from Mirabilis and a registered Screen
> > > Name from
> > > >AOL to correctly use my client.
> > > >
> > > >Get the changesets here:  http://instantmessaging.swiki.net
> > > >
> > > >Dino
> >
> >
> 
>