page width

Albert Wagner alwagner at tcac.net
Wed Nov 10 01:58:21 UTC 1999


Thank you, Doug.  That clarifies it for me.  I erased MS NT from my box
several months ago so Outlook, etc. are not available.  Netscape has a
Linux version and it does have an option to wrap incoming, as well as
outgoing, but it is memory hog on linux and leaks badly.  So it is not
popular over here.  Kmail is the standard mail client delivered with
the KDE GUI.  I would rather scroll horizontally that return to MS. I
received several private emails mocking me for using a mailer that does
not wrap incoming so I will not comment any further than to say that I
thought this was a cross-platform mail list.  
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On Tue, 09 Nov 1999, Doug Way wrote:
> I don't want to drag this subject out too long, but hopefully this will be
> a semi-definitive answer.
> 
> There are two different ways in which text email can travel around the
> world:
> 
> 1.  The message text can have <cr>'s inserted by the outgoing email
> program, normally every 75 or 80 or so columns.  This way, someone else's
> email reader won't have to worry about how to compose the text.
> 
> Or,
> 
> 2.  The message text will not have any extra <cr>'s inserted by the
> outgoing email program, it will only have <cr>'s at the end of each
> paragraph, which is how an email message is normally typed in.  In this
> case, the recipient's email reader will have to be configured to wrap long
> lines (most are by default), otherwise the recipient will have to do a lot
> of horizontal scrolling, as Albert described.
> 
> (Well, there's also 3. The message text will be in a non-text format such
> as html or Microsoft Word, which I won't comment on, except to say that it
> is a bad thing. :-) )
> 
> 
> Most outgoing email software tends to insert <cr>'s as in #1.  Some don't,
> though, including Craig's emailer.
> 
> The question is, is it the responsibility of the outgoing mail software to
> add the <cr>'s (#1), or should it be the responsibility of the email
> reader to do this (#2)?  I believe the answer is #2.  So, Albert should
> configure his email reader to wrap long lines of text.  (Any modern email
> reader will let you do this... e.g. Netscape, Outlook, (hopefully
> Celeste), etc.)  Craig shouldn't have to do anything.
> 
> In fact, the world would probably be a better place if everyone followed
> #2, since adding new <cr>'s to messages forwarded several times starts to
> make them unreadable.
> 
> Also, if your email reader lets you set the number of columns at which to
> wrap (I know Netscape does), you'll probably want to set it to something
> like 90 columns, so that you don't get a nasty double-wrapping effect on
> emails that already have <cr>'s inserted.
> 
> 
> - Doug Way
>   dway at mat.net
> 
> I'd call myself an artist
> If I could make these feelings clear
> But there's a million things to think about
> When you're cutting off your ear
>                 - Scott Miller
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 9 Nov 1999 Dean_Swan at Mitel.COM wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 
> > From:  Dean Swan at MITEL on 11/09/99 11:34 AM
> > 
> > Yep.  It comes back as 78 column monospaced ASCII, with hard <cr>'s inserted,
> > even though I'm creating my outgoing mails as Rich Text Format in 10 pt.
> > Helvetica.  I don't honestly know how Dominoe accomplishes this, since we have
> > several people in our IT department that do nothing but maintain Notes, but it
> > can be done.
> > 
> > For me, Craig's messages are coming through formatted for the window width of
> > the Notes window I'm reading them in.
> > 
> > I hope this helps track down the "problem" some people are having with 'page
> > width'.
> > 
> >                     -Dean
> > 
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> > Dean_Swan at Mitel.COM on 11/09/99 11:19:54 AM
> > 
> > Please respond to squeak at cs.uiuc.edu
> > 
> > To:   alwagner at tcac.net
> > cc:   squeak at cs.uiuc.edu (bcc: Dean Swan/Ogd/Mitel)
> > 
> > Subject:  Re: page width
> > 
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> > From:  Dean Swan at MITEL on 11/09/99 11:19 AM
> > 
> > I would suggest that this migth be a problem with your mail reader's
> > configuration.  What are you using for a mail program?
> > 
> > I use Lotus Notes as a mail client, and my company uses Dominoe as our mail
> > server.  Any mail that goes outside our internal Notes domain gets reformatted
> > for something like 70 column monospaced fonts.  This paragraph is an example.
> > The first time I have pressed the <enter> key since the beginning of this
> > paragraph is right after the end of this sentence.
> > 
> > What goes out to the list should be reformatted for everyone.  I'll check when
> > my copy comes back.
> > 
> > -Dean Swan
> > dean_swan at mitel.com
> > 
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> > Albert Wagner <alwagner at tcac.net> on 11/08/99 09:13:50 PM
> > 
> > Please respond to squeak at cs.uiuc.edu
> > 
> > To:   squeak at cs.uiuc.edu, Craig Latta <Craig.Latta at NetJam.ORG>
> > cc:   squeak at cs.uiuc.edu (bcc: Dean Swan/Ogd/Mitel)
> > 
> > Subject:  page width
> > 
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> > 
> > Hi Craig,
> > I'm having trouble reading your emails to the squeak mailing list.
> > Apparently you have no page width set and each paragraph goes on and
> > on, requiring heavy use of horzontal scrolling.  Thanks.  I enjoy your
> > posts.
> > 
> >  --  "Mutual cooperation can emerge in a world of egoists without
> > central control, by starting with a cluster of individuals who rely on
> > reciprocity"   --Robert Axelrod
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