> -----Original Message-----
> From: David T. Lewis [mailto:lewis at mail.msen.com]
> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 2:03 AM
> To: squeak at cs.uiuc.edu
> Subject: Re: fun and empowerment
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 26, 2000 at 05:46:10AM -0500, Charles-A. Rovira wrote:
> > Right,
> >
> > can you imagine the spaghetti crap code if Dilbert's PHB tried
> to code. Puh-leze!
> >
> > I think they recruit managers by looking under rocks for the
> lower life forms that went after MBAs rather than doing anything
> > useful with their time in school.
> >
>     <snip>
> >
> > -Charles-A.
> >
> > Craig Latta wrote:
> >
> > >         Hmm. I guess this means that more Squeakers ought to
> go into management (this is left as an exercise for the reader :).
> > >
> > > -C
> > >
> > > --
> > > Craig Latta
> >
>
> Just to introduce a contrary view, I would describe myself as a
> middle          level manager at a large international
> corporation. I do Squeak in my           free time because it's fun.
>
> In the one and only case in my experience in which I advocated using
> Smalltalk for a significant project, the "technical" folks on the
> project voted the idea down in favor of Java, which they believed to
> have advantages in performance, type safety, and market acceptance.
> Draw what conclusions you like from this, but don't a priori assume
> that "management" is the source of all difficulties.
>
> Dave
>
>

Not to be a traitor to my kind, technical, but in multiple cases in my work
experience, the technical types were the problem when it came to voting down
Smalltalk. In each case it was the very skilled C and C++ programmers who
believed Smalltalk was inadequate and convinced management. Several went to
the extent of threatening to quit if they had to code in Smalltalk.

Jerome