That's a great offer, Dean -- thank you!  And to the rest of you for 
your advice and comments!

I've been forwarding the messages in this thread to the faculty 
actually associated with the Embedded Systems class.  (I'm this 
oddball interloper from the Ed Tech side of the College who happens 
to be using this Cool Tool that is actually great for their uses! :-) 
The Intel board is actually not out-of-the-question.  Yes, it's 
expensive, but we have a good relationship with Intel, and they've 
been very generous with donations and discounts in the past (as 
probably with many Universities -- it's certainly in their best 
interest for us to teach students with/about their equipment!).  I 
think folks here are trying to explore ways of getting some in the 
door.

Eric, your website says that you're looking at making Pocket 
Smalltalk work on/with Squeak.  Is that still the case?  Part of the 
argument for using Squeak in the Embedded Systems class is not just 
that Squeak works well on small devices, but because all of our 
students take a semester of learning to Squeak with me, so they have 
knowledge that they can directly use.  So, even if we used a Pocket 
Smalltalk approach on TINI, it'd be great if our students could use 
their Squeak knowledge.

Mark

>From:  Dean Swan at MITEL on 07/14/2000 11:28 AM
>
>Alan,
>
>     While I'm used to buying processor evaluation boards in this price range
>and higher at work, I think one of Mark's points about the TINI is that it is
>very inexpensive (i.e. $50 in single peice quantities).
>
>
>Mark,
>
>     I think it would be challenging to port Squeak to the TINI board.  The
>processor can directly address up to 4MB of off chip memory, and it 
>is basically
>a hopped up 8051 eight bit microcontroller.  Clocked at 40 MHz, you'll get 10
>MIPS (an instruction being defined as an 8051instruction).  Using the on chip
>arithmetic accelerator, you can get around 1.5 M 16x16 bit multiplies per
>second.
>The 8051 is an accumulator based architecture, and said accumulator is only 8
>bits, so it may present a serious performance bottleneck.
>
>     I think memory bandwidth is probably Squeak's single biggest demand of a
>target architecture, and on the TINI you'll be topping out at about 10 to 15
>megabytes per second.
>
>     I could probably be persuaded to contribute to an effort to 
>port Squeak to
>the TINI, but I think it's more than a one person job if you want to 
>get it done
>in a fairly short timespan.
>
>
>                                              -Dean Swan
>                                              dean_swan at mitel.com
>
>
>
>
>
>Alan Kay <Alan.Kay at disney.com> on 07/14/2000 07:06:27 AM
>
>Please respond to squeak at cs.uiuc.edu
>
>To:   squeak at cs.uiuc.edu
>cc:   squeak at cs.uiuc.edu (bcc: Dean Swan/Ogd/Mitel)
>
>Subject:  Re: Squeak on a TINI?
>
>
>
>We got a few, and they are currently about $3K per. But you get a lot
>of options in the kit. It's the best thing of its kind that I've seen.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Alan
>
>------
>
>At 11:56 AM +0200 7/14/00, Bruce ONeel wrote:
> >Hi,
> >   More info here:
> >
> >http://developer.intel.com/design/strong/quicklist/eval-plat/sa-1100me.h
> >tm
> >
> >Any idea what this costs?
> >
> >cheers
> >
> >bruce
> >
> >Alan Kay <Alan.Kay at disney.com> wrote:
> >>  Mark --
> >>
> >>  Check out the Intel StrongArm 1110 kit -- perfect for a class and it
> >>  really rocks!
> >>
> >>  Cheers,
> >>
> >>  Alan
> >>
> >>  At 10:41 PM -0400 7/13/00, Mark Guzdial wrote:
> >>  >Has anyone explored porting Squeak to a TINI board?
> >>  >
> >>  >   http://www.ibutton.com/TINI/
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >It sounds like it's possible to program the critter in C, even
> >>  >though Java is resident:
> >>  >
> >>  >     http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/view.jsp?EID=48560
> >>  >
> >>  >There is some interest in using Squeak in an embedded systems class
> >>  >here that uses the TINI board.
> >>  >
> >>  >Thanks for any leads!
> >>  >Mark
> >>  >--------------------------
> >>  >Mark Guzdial : Georgia Tech : College of Computing : Atlanta, 
>GA 30332-0280
> >>  >Associate Professor - Learning Sciences & Technologies.
> >>  >Collaborative Software Lab - http://coweb.cc.gatech.edu/csl/
> >>  >(404) 894-5618 : Fax (404) 894-0673 : guzdial at cc.gatech.edu
> >>  >http://www.cc.gatech.edu/gvu/people/Faculty/Mark.Guzdial.html

--------------------------
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Associate Professor - Learning Sciences & Technologies.
Collaborative Software Lab - http://coweb.cc.gatech.edu/csl/
(404) 894-5618 : Fax (404) 894-0673 : guzdial at cc.gatech.edu
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