www.squeakworld.com!
Göran Hultgren
gohu at rocketmail.com
Mon Jun 5 09:34:48 UTC 2000
Hi Mark and others!
I will post a longer message about Squeakworld later tonight but just some small things:
--- Mark Guzdial <guzdial at cc.gatech.edu> wrote:
> At 1:46 PM +0200 5/31/00, Stefan Matthias Aust wrote:
> >Regarding the web infrastructure, do you know Midgard
> >(www.midgard-project.org). I don't suggest to use that tool, but I
> >like the site layout and the ideas behind that tool. So I recommend
Ok, we will take a look at the layout!
> >to check it out. It's similar to ZOPE (www.zope.org) in its ideas
Zope is interesting as inspiration, have looked at it from time to time.
> >and a free, opensourced web site application builder with an easy
> >to use interface, built upon apache, php and mysql.
>
> Bolot Kerimbaev, who's doing Comanche, is a major PHP fan. My guess
> is that the internals of Comanche already look like Midgard.
>
> I do hope that squeakworld.com can keep to the "Back to the Future"
> mantra of "Everything in Squeak." For my students and me, I find
> that focus has enormous value -- at some level, it's all
> understandable and all inspectable and all explorable. But I do
> understand that a commercial entity has concerns other than
> educational, and you certainly have to balance out the Squeak ideals
> and what you need to do to keep the farm.
I am VERY much in favor of keeping with the mantra - and I believe most everybody else that I have
heard from sofar. So Comanche is IMHO THE way to go (until someone proves us wrong!).
And Squeakworld is actually not a "commercial entity" - I know that the .com part makes it sound
commercial but it is meant to become a purely volunteer-effort-community-driven site. This means
that it is OUR (as in the COMMUNITY, not my company!) site. BUT I still would like it to have a
"feel" of an e-zine but with more "activity" on it! So the more userdriven and usercontributed
stuff we can have - the better, in my opinion!
If suddenly companies would like to place ads there then we will have to think how we should
handle that. But our company - Bluefish - (supplying machine and bandwidth) do not intend to make
any money on this - it is pure fun for us.
(Perhaps I should have opted for .org or .net instead but I thought that most people would try
.com as "default", you know... linuxworld.com, javaworld.com etc. :-)
> At 1:31 AM -0700 5/31/00, "Gran" Hultgren wrote:
> >I was thinking of using CVS for content management - and it still
> >might come handy for some things
> >- but a Swiki solution would be nicer, is this a rendered Swiki or
> >is the "public" side also
> >served from Comanche? Is there any possibility that we could
> >"borrow" your setup on csl as an
> >example or something? I assume it can be quite tricky to get it
> >configured. Comanche and
> >Swiki-stuff does not really have a trackrecord of being
> >over-documented... ;-) ;-)
> >
>
> CSL is not a rendered Swiki -- both sides are served from Comanche.
Ok, that is actually the way I personally would like it since we then have the possibility of
adding "Squeak-behaviour" to the site.
> The images and uploads are served from Apple PWS. CoWeb, believe it
> or not, is a simple Macintosh running OS 8.5. It was a 7100, but I
> think we've now upgraded that one to a 7600 with a G3 board in it.
>
> I think that Jochen and Bolot would be willing to help configure
> squeakworld.com, and Bijan, Jochen, Bolot, and Lex are working on the
That would be great.
> documentation side. Take a look at Bijan's chapter at
> http://coweb.cc.gatech.edu/squeakbook/ as a starting point. (It's
> PWS-only right now, but I've seen demos from Bijan and Lex which
> suggest that it's expanding to cover more of Squeak networking.)
>
> Mark
>
> --------------------------
> Mark Guzdial : Georgia Tech : College of Computing : Atlanta, GA 30332-0280
> Associate Professor - Learning Sciences & Technologies.
> Collaborative Software Lab - http://coweb.cc.gatech.edu/csl/
> (404) 894-5618 : Fax (404) 894-0673 : guzdial at cc.gatech.edu
> http://www.cc.gatech.edu/gvu/people/Faculty/Mark.Guzdial.html
>
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