UNIX 2.8 and/or 3.0 downloads?

Richard A. O'Keefe ok at atlas.otago.ac.nz
Fri Apr 6 02:42:56 UTC 2001


I wrote:           vvvvv
	> Oh well, where do I pick up a "stable 3.0 for SPARC/Solaris that can be
	> installed easily by idiots without root passwords"?
	
Henrik Gedenryd <Henrik.Gedenryd at lucs.lu.se> replied:
	Ok, maybe I wasn't expressing myself clearly enough.
	The idea was this:

	Take a 3.0 VM.  Rename it to 2.8 if you wish.
	You now have a stable 2.8.  Go.

You haven't answered the question.
The question was "WHERE"?
	
	http://www.squeak.org
sent me to
	http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak.388
"Downloading Squeak", which says that the current version is 3.0,
and directed me to
	http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/298
"Download for Unix", which directed me to Ian Piumarta's
	http://www-sor.inria.fr/~piumarta/squeak/
which tells me that
    "The current major version number is 2."
and "The current release is 2.7."
Back up to "Download for Unix", which suggests SourceForge, but
	http://sourceforge.net/projects/squeak
tells me that
    "This Project Has Not Released Any Files"
Back up to "Download for Unix", and try the third alternative,
the UIUC archive.  The page
	http://st-www.cs.uiuc.edu/archive.html
doesn't mention the word 'Download' or 'Unix' anywhere,
and when I try a keyword search for "Squeak Unix VM", it says
    "No matches found."
There's another keyword search, which only finds "What's Hot",
which doesn't apparently include Squeak 3.0.  Displaying that
page wedged Netscape 4.7 somehow, so pause to kill it and get
back to "Download for Unix".  RPMs aren't any use to me, so
ignore that.  Patches?  No good until I have something to
patch, so ignore that one.  Solaris isn't Debian, so ignore
that one.  NetBSD, OpenBSD, SCO System V, nope, none apply.

Bottom line:
	http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/298
does NOT lead me to a 3.anything Squeak for Solaris.

Go back further, to "Downloading Squeak".  That points to
	http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/275
"Squeak Versions", which says near the top
    "Current stable (?) version is now 2.8."	
We have a SERIOUSLY out of date site here, friends!

To be honest, "Downloading Squeak" points first of all to
	ftp://st.cs.uiuc.edu/pub/Smalltalk/Squeak/
which could do with a rather more helpful README.
	ftp://st.cs.uiuc.edu/pub/Smalltalk/Squeak/2.8/
is of course where I found Squeak-2.8.3*.rpm (no use on Solaris)
and Squeak-2.8pre3-sparc-sun-solaris2.5.1.tar.gz
              ^^^ how stable?       ^^^^^ long obsolete
Looking in 3.0, now that I have been told that VM should work
with 2.8 images and changes file, I find 
	Squeak-3.0pre2.tar.gz.
	          ^^^^
Excuse me?  Is this the 3.0 *stable* release?  *Is* there a fully
patched Squeak 3.0 "final" VM for UNIX anywhere?

Ok, getting this far has taken me 3/4 of an hour, and got me nowhere.
(Oh yeah, the ReadMe.txt in Squeak/3.0/files/ is no help at all to
anyone coming in via FTP who wants to know which files to get.)

So can anyone *please* answer this simple question:

  Given that I *have* 
    + SqueakV2.sources
    + Squeak2.8.changes
    + Squeak2.8.image
  and that I am experienced at installing UNIX software, given adequate
  instructions, 

  just what files should I download to get the least buggy available
  VM that I can compile and install on SPARC Solaris 2.8 that will
  run Squeak 2.8 and where do I find them?

In order to get all the URLs and quotes above, I repeated the search
I did the other day.  Three quarters of an hour is what it took me today,
so the first time must have been rather longer.  It should not be this
hard to look for a "Squeak 2.8 final for Unix" and fail.





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