consolidated downloads?
Bruce ONeel
beoneel at mindspring.com
Wed Apr 4 19:57:57 UTC 2001
Hi,
It's part of the way there, the directory is new3.0 or so.
I wasn't quite done yet so I hadn't sent a note around. I made
a few changes from the proposal in that I am renaming
files so that they have a consistant nameing scheme, though
that's not all done yet, and there are a few other small changes.
View this is a work in progress which will replace the current
3.0 and 3.1_alpha dirs.
All that said, I can *not* supply all of the VMs. I/We really
need people to build and make available to me the VMs for
different platforms, the unix ones in particular. I've built
a linux VM using st.cs.uiuc.edu, a linux system, but I can't
test it. I really don't have other unix systems to build VMs on.
If someone wants to buy me a SGI, Compaq Alpha, SPARC, et al
system I'm happy to take them and build VMs :-)
If people want to give a look at the current changes, feel
free, though remember that it's not quite done. I still plan to put
more separate files for the Windows systems in place, populate
the otherSystems directory, and sprinkle READMEs throughout
so that people can ignore them :-)
cheers
bruce
Doug Way <dway at riskmetrics.com> wrote:
>
> Stephen Pair wrote:
> >
> > It would be nice to have all downloads (stable and alpha) consolidated on
> > squeak.org with the following information:
> >
> > - platform notes (specific to each OS)
> > - release notes
> > - installation instructions
> >
> > Preferably, for each platform, you would have one downloadable file for the
> > latest stable release,
>
> Bruce O'Neel posted a proposed new ftp site structure last week which covers most of this, including a single downloadable file for each platform in separate platform directories. There was general agreement that the structure looked good... I assume he just hasn't gotten around to doing the restructuring yet. See his message:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/squeak/message/26509
>
> Your suggestion that the full downloadable files include the .sources file is good, so you'd have everything you need in one downloadable. I think the proposal above assumes this, but I'm not sure. (Anyone griping about downloading a .sources file they already have can always download the compressed image/changes files and vm separately if they really want. The single downloadables should be geared toward first-time users.)
>
> Some brief release notes/install instructions for each platform might not be a bad idea. At least, they should mention things like "The recommended VM to use with the Solaris 2.8 image is the 3.0-Solaris VM" or whatever, so there's no confusion.
>
> > and one downloadable file for the latest alpha
> > release.
>
> Actually, I think there was general agreement that we *not* do this. The alpha versions should be relatively hidden from newbies, and shouldn't be made into an all-in-one download, since newbies generally shouldn't be running alpha versions.
>
> (Also, building an all-in-one downloadable for every new alpha release for every platform seems like an awful lot of extra work for Bruce, who's already doing a great job on a volunteer basis...)
>
> > The downloadable file would contain everything necessary (vm,
> > changes, sources, plugins, etc) to install and run that version of squeak.
> > Credit should also be given to whomever bundles up a build.
> >
> > Additionally, it might be useful to have a section for each platform that
> > has "custom builds" for more advanced users. This might be where someone
> > has made a build with everything pluginized, or all plugins built-in, or a
> > minimal image download, etc. But, I would keep these clearly separate from
> > the main downloads (the latest stable and alpha for each platform).
>
> Not a bad idea... although there was a plugins directory for each platform in the above proposal. Maybe an extra custombuilds directory (for C sources?) would make sense?
>
> > Ideally, everything (all downloads) would be on squeak.org, making it easier
> > to maintain, archive, and mirror. Also, it might be good for the platform
> > maintainers (or others) to be able to maintain or update the downloads for a
> > given platform directly.
>
> All the downloads are pretty much on the "primary ftp archive", which is the UIUC archive mentioned on squeak.org, and its mirrors. Someone looking for a stable release (like Richard was), shouldn't have to look anywhere else. (And this is mostly true today, except for some Unix platforms...)
>
> - Doug Way
> dway at riskmetrics.com
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