Rick --

Another way of phrasing what you seem to be saying is: These 
newfangled things called airplanes are different from the trains I'm 
used to. Why can't they be the same? A better question might be: what 
is the tradeoff between learning and power here? Wouldn't it be wierd 
to avoid airplanes simply because they are not like the trains you 
are used to? Isn't there something in being able to move from A to B 
about 10 times as fast?

The other point, again, is that this is an Open Souce system and 
community. You have a perfect right to make a version of Squeak that 
does exactly what you want for whatever reason. But we and the 
community are not vendors and we aren't selling Squeak. Many of us 
are trying to work towards something better than what you are 
familiar with.

Look at the golden nav bar at the bottom of your Squeak window are 
try "Escape From Browser", this will take you full screen regardless 
of whether you are in a browser or a window. Now you are in a 
different world that has different properties. Some needed things 
aren't there, but there are many things in the world that are much 
more powerful that the world you are used to. Try it out....

Cheers,

Alan

At 12:32 PM -0300 2/18/01, Rick wrote:
>Bert Freudenberg wrote:
>
>>  On Sun, 18 Feb 2001, Rick wrote:
>>
>>  > Using Squeak seems that I do not have this choice, I must use Squeak
>>  > style windows and/or dialogs...
>>
>>  I just was struck by an even better idea: Just make Windows/Mac/X/whatever
>>  look like Squeak and your users will be immediately familiar with it.
>
>Hoho! Great! The best was if every window in every OS was so obvious that
>could cause immediate familiarity. The more different a kitchen can be you
>don't need any special brain effort to know where you can find water, for
>example.
>But when I tryed to install other OSs in my computer I found myself completely
>lost without knowing even the basic 'how to start' something. After these
>experiences, restarting Windows is just like coming back home...
>
>>  With
>>  widget themes that's no problem, and given the simplistic look of Squeak
>>  window decoration this should be easy to do. :)
>
>Yes, it looks simple but hey, I still fight with those four mouse pointers for
>the popping scrollbars...
>
>>
>>
>>  -- Bert