Bert Freudenberg wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 4 Feb 2001, Ned Konz wrote:
> 
> > Don't want to start a religious war, but could the "out-of-box
> > experience"  include somewhat more familiar, inboard (as opposed to
> > flop-out) scrollbars?  The old arguments about screen real estate
> > don't hold as much weight any more with people mostly using screens at
> > 800x600 or above, and it's easier to move your mouse to something you
> > can see.
> 
> Well, I do like them. Also, the floppy bars pretty much are the only
> obvious UI thingie that makes Squeak stand out from the rest. They're
> self-explaining, and you can turn it of. And there *never* is
> "enough" screen real-estate ...

This is definitely religious war material. :)  I tend to prefer the inboard scrollbars, and most newcomers to Squeak will probably be more familiar with them.  But I can understand the preference for flop-out scrollbars, there are significant tradeoffs both ways.  (As opposed to some other preferences, such as clickOnLabelToEdit, which seems pretty useless to me.)

Maybe a reasonable compromise would be to have flop-out scrollbars as the default, but also have a window present somewhere in the startup image which has its scrollbars set to inboard.  This way, the newcomers who happen to prefer inboard scrollbars will notice that this window has them, and will realize that there must be a way to turn them on if they want to.  (Or, a good introduction somewhere to the preferences window might suffice, too.)

- Doug Way
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