Come on Gary. I understand what you're saying and it's probably true, but
doing something for today isn't such a big issue for the experienced
Squeakers for what I'm talking about. Most the work is already done.
Regards,
Gary
PS. My Outlook Express spell checker is a class act for entertainment. It
suggests Squealers instead of Squeakers.:o).

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Fisher" <gafisher at sprynet.com>
To: <squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 12:01 PM
Subject: Bandwidth Was: A stupid newbie question


> It would be a mistake to design for yesterday, or even for today.  That
> 15-minute load from tape can now be done in seconds from diskette or,
> significantly, via even the slowest modem connection.  Imagine the
situation
> we'd be in if it had been mandated back in '85 that no individual program
> could be larger than could be loaded in one minute from an audio cassette!
>
> Until (and even after) bandwidth becomes truly cheap and ubiquitous
Squeak's
> late-bound resources can also be distributed on other media, as is still
> done to this day with Linux and other software designed to be distributed
> via the internet, but bandwidth WILL get cheaper and WILL be more widely
> available; why constrain ourselves as though available technology will
never
> improve?
>
> Gary Fisher
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <G.J.Tielemans at dinkel.utwente.nl>
> To: <squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 4:05 AM
> Subject: RE: A stupid newbie question
>
>
> > Well, one of the problems is in these big pictures, for example from the
> > school-page that take so long to download: Will people wait?
> >
> > When a kind of toys-are-us-company in the Netherlands did introduce the
> > Commodore-64 on the market (1985?) they created a tutorial program you
had
> > to load from tape: took at least 15 minutes. Most of the buyers where
> > already back to the shop to tell that their machine was broken.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Hinsley [mailto:jhinsley at telinco.co.uk]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 6:45 AM
> > To: squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org
> > Subject: Re: A stupid newbie question
> >
> >
> > Gary McGovern wrote:
> >
> > //big snip//
> >
> > > And the bandwidth
> > > hasn't been good enough for the times when I've used Squeakland.
> >
> > If you're saying "I can't afford to stay on line long enough to play
> > with the Squeakland stuff", I know that feeling. But don't forget that
> > you can "save project to file" through the plug-in just as you can
> > through your "real" Squeak. You can then load it into Squeak and play to
> > your heart's content offline. I'm damned if I can remember where the
> > plugin puts those files in Windows, though.
> >
> > //snipped//
> > >
> > > I'm not trying to convert you here, but I can't think of anything
> simpler
> > > than double clicking on an icon except single clicking on one. But who
> am
> > I
> > > to say.
> >
> > I'm no longer sure of the context of this, but if it's simply to run
> > Squeak, I think we've done it to death here! Of course, the drag file
> > onto icon stuff is natural to Mac (and Kde) users.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > John
> >
> > --
> > If you don't care about your data, like file systems which automagically
> > destroy themselves and have money to burn on 3rd party tools to keep
> > your
> > system staggering on, Microsoft (tm) have the Operating System for you.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>