[Module] Ginsu for 3.1 (was: extremely dissapointed)

danielv at netvision.net.il danielv at netvision.net.il
Sat Sep 22 17:12:40 UTC 2001


Hi Stef.

I want you to continue. If the ModSqueak work doesn't get in because it
hinders our development style, that's ok. If it doesn't get in because
nobody bothered to make it work in a current Squeak, that's a pity. Yell
if you need help with anything.

(I get this funny feeling that maybe modules are a cursed topic. I never
really liked what they did to other languages, though they're better
than one huge source file. And here it seems everyone working/talking on
modules starts behaving strangely. This began way back with the HUGE
disscussions, and upto the current (not fun) state of affairs).

Anyway, I'm not sure I know what each part of the SWT work consists of
exactly. Assuming you port Ginsu to 3.1, this will include -
* The ModSqueak module loader
* Hierarchies of modules, clusters so forth to hold the loaded code,
whether installed or not.
* Ginsu itself, a tool for refactoring this hierarchy.
Is this right?

Would we be missing something?

Do you need beta testing? 

I want to continue evolving the RB in something that's more module
aware.
An experiment with loading modules from SCAN sounds fun (as soon as I
can get a module system with a usable loader, and tools for refactoring
the modules).

Thanks,
Daniel
PS - 
ducasse stephane <ducasse at iam.unibe.ch> wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I just want to tell that the atmosphere that is on the emails related to
> modules is really disappointing. I'm porting Ginsu to 3.1 but I'm really
> wondering if I should not spend my time on other urgent things that I have
> to do for my future.
> 
> For me I do not care if the work of Joseph or Henrik is one chosen. For me
> only the quality is the issue. I think that the topic is so important for
> the future of Squeak (that will stay a nice blob if we cannot ensure a
> component architecture that supports the distribution and open source
> distribution).
> 
> So may be joseph with his natural arrogance pissed of a lot of people. Ok I
> can understand that.
> 
> I would appreciate that people react to the questions I ask about module and
> the implementation of Henrik and I'm really sad. I have the impression that
> the head of Henrik is inflating so take care....
> 
> I think that this is easy to say that a design does not support open
> distributed whatever and this is easy to reinvent the wheel. So good luck.
> 
> Stef
> 
> Sorry I'm really pissed of by some of the emails I read. So may be I'm
> misinterpreting but at least you know my feelings: discouraging!!!




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