OK. you pass the exam with the correct answers, Yes I saw your own work on
the first page, but found vBulletin in the deeper pages for the forumtool
etc. 

...now just wait for the Squeak people to improve the concept of Nuke, for
example inside Scamper or inside my favorite Swiki. (including connecting to
MySQL..)

Another thing I liked on the WWW was the possibilty to have chat contact
with other people when you are active in your favorite environment. I saw
this in XML cooktop 2.200: When you open your browser you can open a
conversation with other online editor users. The tool connects you automatic
with a chatbox for the cooktop-group implemented in open source Jabber. (It
does this in a second window, so you have the choice to use it or not) In
Squeak we have the build-in project areas, this could be an addition: of
course we need different chatrooms, beginner-rooms with moderators, expert
rooms, shared big project rooms (maybe here with a variant of CVS? Can
soemone give a url for a good up to date text about modern CVS?)

-----Original Message-----
From: Bernd Oldenbuettel [mailto:bernd at oldenbuettel.de]
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 8:42 AM
To: squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [ANN] Documentation Website


On Mon, 4 Feb 2002 23:11:17 +0100
G.J.Tielemans at dinkel.utwente.nl wrote:

> Long ago Dan Ingalls (?) was wondering about the fact that such technical
> clever people as Squeakers still use such an archaic tool like email for
> their communication. He even spent an eMail on that with the title "How we
> discuss things..."

[a lot of information about php-nuke snipped]
 
> Some small remarks about your choice:
> I did recognize the php Nuke style and found in your pages the company
that
> sells this product: http://www.digibuy.com/cgi-bin/order.html?vbulletin 

Uhm, not exactly. The homepage may look a bit like the nuke homepage, but it
is completely hand crafted. 
I really considered using PHP-Nuke. But it would be overkill for what I
planned. 
I dont't want to build _SqueakNews.org_.  I wanted to set up a documentation
site. The news and community part should be handled by a tool like
SqueakDot. 
The news part on the homepage at SqueakDoc.org is titled "Site News". And
that's
exactly what it's meant to be. Stuff like: "I added a nice red wobbly thing
with
a button. Please have a look."

> Weird that you pay this company for a product that is free. 
> Or is that the price you want to pay for tuning a product for the market.
> (If you were not a technical person - but you are, because you do Squeak -
I
> could understand buying this out-of-the-box product.. paying every year
$85
> dollars..)

I actually tried some free clones of vBulletin first. I tested phpBB and
Phorum. 
But they are not as easily adjustable as vBulletin, and I wanted to start
fast. 
Hey, the forum should just be a little extra sugar.
Yes, I spend some bucks. But this way I have the opportunity to shout at
some
support people when something goes wrong. And after all: I've got to get rid
of
all this money that covers the floor of my appartment. ;)

Bernd
(feeling guilty for using commercial software)