Jim --

Did that book also have the "Officetalk" paper from PARC, by William 
Newman, Dan Swinehart, Tim Mott, etc.? That was an amazing blast from 
the past.

P.S. I have the four PIE papers. Maybe I should try to .pdf them and 
put them online (might take awhile though). I did write Danny Bobrow 
to see if anyone else had already put them online.....

Cheers,

Alan

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At 8:46 PM -0800 2/24/02, Jim Benson wrote:
>Nathanael,
>
>>  The ideas of having multiple roles/views/perspectives associated to an
>>  object sounds very interesting and promising. I'd really like to know more
>>  about these PIE system and its implementation. If you have any pointers to
>>  some information, please let me know.
>>
>
>The only place I've seen any of this written up was in the book Interactive
>Programming Environments [1984] edited by Barstow, Shrobe, Sandewall, ISBN
>0-07-003885-6. PIE is written up as "A Layered Approach to Software Design"
>by Goldstein and Bobrow. pp 387-413. This paper was originally published as
>Xerox Parc CSL-80-5.
>
>Whenever I want to be depressed, I just pick that book up and start reading.
>It represented the state of the art in '84, and it's amazing how little
>things have advanced since then.
>
>I haven't found anything online, but I hoped that this information might
>help.
>
>Jim


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