Free Smalltalk License (RE: MySQL-Driver)

Alan Kay Alan.Kay at squeakland.org
Thu Jul 25 15:12:48 UTC 2002


But Stephen,

At 9:38 AM -0400 7/25/02, Stephen Pair wrote:
>Yeah, but that wouldn't be in the Smalltalk tradition of re-implementing
>everything in Smalltalk terms.  ;)

Historically, it could be looked at as exactly the opposite ... heh heh ....

>
>Also, I think part of the issue is getting others in the Smalltalk
>community to accept and adopt the license.  Having a community adopted
>"Free Smalltalk License" would go a long way toward building that
>consensus.  We might even want two licenses that implement Smalltalk
>variants of the "free" vs. "open" licenses (where the "free" variant has
>some restrictions regarding certain commercial uses).  Call them the
>"Free Smalltalk License" and the "Open Smalltalk License".

In any case I like the suggestion below, and at some point I will try 
to get Apple to change the license to something more like it.

Cheers,

Alan

>
>- Stephen
>
>>  -----Original Message-----
>>  From: squeak-dev-admin at lists.squeakfoundation.org
>>  [mailto:squeak-dev-admin at lists.squeakfoundation.org] On
>>  Behalf Of Jarvis, Robert P. (Contingent)
>>  Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 9:27 AM
>>  To: 'squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org'
>>  Subject: RE: Free Smalltalk License (RE: MySQL-Driver)
>>
>>
>>  I suggest that, rather than trying to create Yet Another Open
>>  Source License, an existing license acceptable to all parties
>>  be chosen.  I like and use the MIT license - see
>>  http://opensource.org/licenses/mit-license.html.
>>
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>>  Bob Jarvis
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>>
>>  > -----Original Message-----
>>  > From: Stephen Pair [mailto:spair at acm.org]
>>  > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 9:05 AM
>>  > To: squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org
>>  > Subject: Free Smalltalk License (RE: MySQL-Driver)
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > I think this is an excellent idea.  I think it's important
>>  to get it
>>  > approved by OSI too.
>>  >
>>  > - Stephen
>>  >
>>  > > Ups. GPL is bad for Smalltalk: Filing this into the image is
>>  > > linking. And then as soon as you distribute your Programm,
>>  > > *everything* needs to be GPL (even Visualworks itself...).
>>  > >
>>  > > Why don't we (as "the greater Smalltalk community") set up a
>>  > > nice "Free Smalltalk Licence". Such a License should be
>>  > > OSI-Approved and "compatible" with commercial Systems like
>>  > > VisualWorks.
>>  > >
>>  > > Then we should try to make it part of the Smalltalk culture
>>  > > to release all free stuff under that License...
>>  > >
>>  > > What do you think?
>>  > >
>>  > >                 Marcus
>>  > >
>>  > >
>>  > >
>>  > > --
>>  > > Marcus Denker marcus at ira.uka.de  -- Squeak! http://squeakland.org
>>  > >
>>  > >
>>  > >
>>  >
>>  >
>>
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