Hi Jim,

	Does Zurge10b support WindowsXP ? 

	I got a bunch of 0 bytes files (in the image directory) as shown
below, and no thing 'strange' happenned after 'Zurgle.st' was
successfully filed into 3.2 image with latest update.

	
	Cheers,

	PhiHo.

	
F:\squeak\images\0bytes>ls -l
total 0
-rw-r--r--    1 PhiHo Ho None            0 Jun  8 16:49
BackgroundTweaks.2.cs
-rw-r--r--    1 PhiHo Ho None            0 Jun  8 16:49 Borg.Theme
-rw-r--r--    1 PhiHo Ho None            0 Jun  8 16:49 BrowserFix.2.cs
-rw-r--r--    1 PhiHo Ho None            0 Jun  8 16:49 Busy Bee.1.cs
-rw-r--r--    1 PhiHo Ho None            0 Jun  8 16:49 EdgeImage.1.cs
-rw-r--r--    1 PhiHo Ho None            0 Jun  8 16:49 LunaButton.Theme
-rw-r--r--    1 PhiHo Ho None            0 Jun  8 16:49 LunaFont.Theme
-rw-r--r--    1 PhiHo Ho None            0 Jun  8 16:49 LunaFonts.1.cs
-rw-r--r--    1 PhiHo Ho None            0 Jun  8 16:49 LunaII.Theme
-rw-r--r--    1 PhiHo Ho None            0 Jun  8 16:49 LunaList.Theme
-rw-r--r--    1 PhiHo Ho None            0 Jun  8 16:49 LunaMenu.Theme
-rw-r--r--    1 PhiHo Ho None            0 Jun  8 16:49
LunaScrollBar.Theme
-rw-r--r--    1 PhiHo Ho None            0 Jun  8 16:49 LunaSmall.Theme
-rw-r--r--    1 PhiHo Ho None            0 Jun  8 16:49
LunaSmallFont.Theme
-rw-r--r--    1 PhiHo Ho None            0 Jun  8 16:49 ModeButton.1.cs
-rw-r--r--    1 PhiHo Ho None            0 Jun  8 16:49 Post Fixes.2.cs
-rw-r--r--    1 PhiHo Ho None            0 Jun  8 16:49 Post10a.1.cs
-rw-r--r--    1 PhiHo Ho None            0 Jun  8 16:49
PropertyPanel.1.cs
-rw-r--r--    1 PhiHo Ho None            0 Jun  8 16:49 SqueakFont.Theme
-rw-r--r--    1 PhiHo Ho None            0 Jun  8 16:49
Theme-Buttons.1.cs
-rw-r--r--    1 PhiHo Ho None            0 Jun  8 16:49
Theme-ComboBox.1.cs
-rw-r--r--    1 PhiHo Ho None            0 Jun  8 16:49 Theme-Lists.1.cs
-rw-r--r--    1 PhiHo Ho None            0 Jun  8 16:49
Theme-Menubar.1.cs
-rw-r--r--    1 PhiHo Ho None            0 Jun  8 16:49
Theme-Scrollbars.1.cs
-rw-r--r--    1 PhiHo Ho None            0 Jun  8 16:49 Theme-Tab
Buttons.1.cs
-rw-r--r--    1 PhiHo Ho None            0 Jun  8 16:49 Theme.1.cs
-rw-r--r--    1 PhiHo Ho None            0 Jun  8 16:49
WindowSizeFix.3.cs
-rw-r--r--    1 PhiHo Ho None            0 Jun  8 16:49 WindowTitle.2.cs
-rw-r--r--    1 PhiHo Ho None            0 Jun  8 16:49
WindowsFrameRefactor.5.c
s
-rw-r--r--    1 PhiHo Ho None            0 Jun  8 16:49 Zurgle.pref

-----Original Message-----
From: squeak-dev-admin at lists.squeakfoundation.org
[mailto:squeak-dev-admin at lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of Jim
Benson
Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2002 4:14 PM
To: squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org
Subject: Re: Killer Application (was: Squeak Foundation)


Matthew,

>
> Linux works because of the Unix tradition.  C++, Java, and Perl add to

> the C family.

>  I still wish Squeak had a bridge back to normal
> programmers.  It looks so alien.  It has its own rules.  I really, 
> really want to use it more, but I could never ship anything in it. I 
> would violate the common experience of my users, I would have to 
> provide more training.  I would love to do it, but I can't see the 
> benefit in the additional education.  What does the Technicolor 
> interface bring to the table?  Why can't the windows act like native 
> windows?
>

If you're looking to ship traditional desktop product, I would think
that the commercial Smalltalk vendors have adequate products to meet
this need. Certainly on the Windows side, Dolphin is a nice product at a
very reasonable price point.

Personally, I think that war is already lost. However, if you're looking
to do web app/server stuff, read the excellent article:

http://www.paulgraham.com/icad.html

You can rule that world with a Squeak based solution.

I took your advice to heart, and hacked up something this morning
similar to your request for a desktop Squeak.

It starts at:

http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/2286

Jim