Kevin --

Just save the project in which the bookmorph resides ...

Cheers,

Alan

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At 9:49 AM -0500 3/8/02, Kevin Fisher wrote:
>On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 07:09:27PM +0100, Hannes Hirzel wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>>  > > >with BookMorphs and experimenting with \"active essays\" in Squeak.
>>
>>  I wonder why not more people are writing active essays. All the tools
>>  seem to be there in Squeak. Why we not use this possibility?
>>  Because we are used nowadays to the HTML paradigm?
>>  Well I'v to admit that looking at the internet most people do not
>>  understand this new medium. Most of the items in the net are
>>  infos like 'Yes I'm here, my name is so and so, here's my address
>>  and I like this lists of lists'. Real content is often missing
>>  and hard to find. An additional problem is as that reuse is difficult.
>>  (tradition in science - copyright issues)
>
>I've only just started playing with BookMorphs and the like (I know,
>I'm WAYY behind the rest of the class :) and I really enjoy the whole
>active essay concept.  The only problem I ran into was that I couldn't
>figure out how to save my BookMorph when I was done. :)  (well, I could
>save it as a Morph from the debug menu, but not in any other way...I
>couldn't see any obvious way to give it a file:// URL)
>
>However, I wonder if we could create a sort of on-line BookMorph library
>of sorts...sort of the Squeak answer to UNIX 'man pages'.  I was in
>the process of writing up some documentation for code I was writing (in LaTeX)
>and it just sort of struck me...why not do it all in a Book?
>
>I suppose this is done in some ways with the published projects on the
>Super Swiki.
>
>>
>>
>>  A practical consideration
>>  -------------------------
>>  Comparing for example Adobe Acrobats size it seems to
>>  be feasable to distribute a Squeak active essay together with a
>>  considerable rest of the Squeak image along with different VMs.
>>  With the modules now in place it is straightforward to get an new
>>  image down to 10MB (of course 5 MB would be better).
>>  Bob's Superswiki has about 200 projects. Taking  the really different
>>  ones with some content there are about 20. What is people helding back.
>>  Actually now we just could _write_ Active Essays.
>>
>>
>
>[snip]
>>
>>  Yes, indeed!
>>
>>  Encyclopedic knowledge
>>  ----------------------
>>  Are you aware of www.wikipedia.com? An intersting tele-cooperative
>>  open source authoring projects which uses tool-wise rather traditional
>>  techniques but is in IMO an interesting experiment.
>
>No, I had not heard of that...I will take a look!
>
>>
>>  In our Squeak context we could think of 'InfoObjects' - objects like
>>  encyclopedia entries which could render themselves in different
>>  perspectives. We could have browsers for them and have them render
>>  themselves in various ways.
>>
>>
>>  This is an interesting discussion. Keep it going! And do not forget
>>  to write more persistent notes as well on the Swiki
>>  http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/.
>
>I think the whole concept of how text can be represented and composed
>can reach a whole new dimension in a digital medium.
>
>I know I find the subject fascinating...Text has evolved over thousands
>of years...from pictograms, to stone tablets, to Gutenberg, to the
>typewriter.  Now with computers, perhaps we can reach the next stage
>of it all (and really, we haven't yet...we're still simulating paper
>for the most part).
>
>
>>
>>  Referencing Swiki pages - we can edit easily - helps to contextualize
>>  the discussion here.
>>
>>  Finally - why not write a dynamic essay like
>>  Andreas Raab did on Morph layout or Ted Kaehler on some statistics
>>  oriented considerations about evolution. (Although the evolution example
>>  is relatively traditional - a set of HTML-pages together with some
>>  JavaScript would have done the job as well while giving at the same
>>  time better hypertext linking - OK I admit authoring was perhaps faster.)
>>
>>
>>
>>  Hannes Hirzel
>>
>>
>
>I'm still considering transferring my documentation over from LaTeX to
>a BookMorph.  Perhaps I will do that anyway, just for the learning
>exercise. :)


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