Maybe my enthusiasm about the whole direction we're going colored my
mail in a way I didn't intend (and I apologize if so), but I really
meant it as a question - if you/SqC prefer to release 3.4 (you've
already done a whole lot of work on it, at a speed and quality it will
probably take us a while to approach), that is completely fine by me. 

My only hurry is to know how you prefer to go about it, so I know what
front to advance on. If you release 3.4, including putting whatever last
touches you feel it needs, I will work on preparing some of the
refactorings ready for the image. I'm sure all of us guides will be glad
of a little more time to get our respective ideas in order, making SM a
little more ready, picking up the submitted changesets for the last few
months, and so forth. 

If the taste of freedom has you hooked already :-), OTOH, we'll be glad
to take you up on your offer of a bridge, we can use any help and advice
you can offer.

> This is a lot of work, people -- stressful, exacting, time-consuming, 
> uncelebrated, unpaid.
Hmm, that reminds me a whole lot of my day job! ;-)

Daniel

Scott Wallace <scott.wallace at squeakland.org> wrote:
> At 12:52 AM +0300 11/16/02, danielv at netvision.net.il wrote:
> >Hi Scott.
> >
> >We got no answers from you on:
> 
> I apologize for not replying sooner, but I hope you'll find the wait 
> has been worthwhile ;-)
> 
> 
> >  > Three issues we should start moving on, IMO:
> >>  1. Process to take physical ownership of updates.
> >>   * Scott/SqC - do you have any remaining agenda for 3.4a/3.2.1, to
> >  > settle before handing over the "keys"?
> 
> The Guides have the "keys" already, in the sense that no updates are 
> being published by SqC without the prior approval of the Guides.
> 
> Having said that, I should add that I had been willing and intending 
> and expecting to take responsibility to drive Squeak 3.4 quickly 
> forward, right the way through to final release within the next month 
> --  a "unification" release that could reunite the community; the 
> last monolithic image, the last SqC image, a solid basis from which 
> the SqueakMap culture could start to form and from which forthcoming 
> image refactoring and stripping could start taking place in Squeak 
> 3.5a in a matter of weeks.
> 
> Indeed, I had been thinking of it as something that SqC *owed* to the 
> community, after this difficult year.
> 
> This is a lot of work, people -- stressful, exacting, time-consuming, 
> uncelebrated, unpaid.  Thus, the sudden prospect of immediate, 
> complete freedom from such responsibilities is very enticing.  So I 
> accept ;-)
> 
> If the preference and mood of the community are for an immediate and 
> unconditional and complete hand-over to the Guides, today, right now, 
> of responsibility for 3.4 (and for all Squeak versions for that 
> matter,) consider it done.  The keys are in the ignition, guys, go 
> ahead and drive it off  ;-)
> 
> 
> >  >  * Scott, are you interested in some role (as vaguely ;-) postulated by
> >  > goran, or otherwise) under the guidance (sic) of us Guides?
> 
> Yes, I'm willing to serve a bridging role.  If the Guides want to 
> send me fileouts for publication as updates, I'll gladly publish 
> them; this would afford the full effect of a hand-off while not for 
> the moment requiring us to change too many other things all at once.
> 
> 
> >  >  * If neither of the above, can you explain the current existing tools
> >>  in the image for handling this and the required resources, so we can
> >  > plan a clean transition?
> 
> Well, this communication needs to be done in any case.  I will 
> explain everything I know, but Dan is the best person to transmit 
> most of this information -- they're his tools, and his procedures, 
> and he is the person of record on the sites, guardian of the 
> passwords, contact person with uiuc, etc.  Ted is the other leading 
> expert and insider in these matters.
> 
> 
> >And if the last, then on the technical side -
> >
> >  > I assume basically we'll need some public readable, Guides writeable
> >  > storage space on updates.squeakfoundation.org, and a final update on
> >  > both all current servers and versions that changes the urls currently in
> >  > the image. Am I missing something?
> 
> Sounds like you're on top of it.  Good luck!
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
>    -- Scott