Hi all,

> My next question is what can I do with them, how
> do I interact with them, I drop them on
> a Squeak VM it works but then do we have
> to specify parameter and get
> value....

We have implemented consode I/O...
We also has implemented an image (aprox 40kb)
 that get a web page given an URL (using WinInet
 because Squeak sockets implementation
 is very complex).
They ONLY do simple things but we plan to expand the framework to support
dynamic exchange with parents (nutrition from parents) when needed.
It is a work in progress that we have from a long time in Smalltalking (we
also advocates to do a social activities for the community, here in
Argentina).

> Ale this is ***really*** exciting. Impressive. If we could rebuild
> Squeak on top of such a mini
> image this would be ****really**** good. Or a kind of dream :).
>
> Diego what was the paper you talked about?

I think that it can't be very difficult to build a mechanism
 to support dynamic embedding of mini-images, but provably it must be
supported by primitives (this will require VM changes :-( ).

cheers,
Ale.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephane Ducasse" <ducasse at iam.unibe.ch>
To: "The general-purpose Squeak developers list"
<squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: Mythical small kernel images?


> Thanks
> this was so small that I missed them. Now I get them.
> My next question is what can I do with them, how do I interact with
> them, I drop them on
> a Squeak VM it works but then do we have to specify parameter and get
> value....
>
>
> Ale this is ***really*** exciting. Impressive. If we could rebuild
> Squeak on top of such a mini
> image this would be ****really**** good. Or a kind of dream :).
>
> Diego what was the paper you talked about?
>
> Stef
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 11, 2003, at 10:14 PM,
> diegogomezdeck at consultar.com wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Alejandro Reimondo has atached them in an email.  You can find them at
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/squeak/message/55613
> >
> > Diego
> >
> >> Diego
> >>
> >> I did not see this mini image where can I find it?
> >>
> >> Stef
> >>
> >> On Tuesday, February 11, 2003, at 09:45 PM,
> >> diegogomezdeck at consultar.com wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Luciano,
> >>>
> >>> You get confused by the paper "engendrando un smalltalk" (generating
> >>> a
> >>> smalltalk) and the jod done to create a minimal image.
> >>>
> >>> The images that Alejandro has sent to this list are images created
> >>> BEFORE
> >>> the process of growing them using the parent-child process.  This
> >>> process
> >>> allows you to create the image you want, with or without the
> >>> mechanism
> >>> described in the paper.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>>
> >>> Diego Gomez Deck
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Alejandro, this is very interesting.
> >>>>
> >>>> I remember you told me about this long time ago, and I
> >>>> still have the same doubts: How stable are the images
> >>>> produced with this process? The final image includes
> >>>> only methods that have been activated in the nurturing
> >>>> process, right? What about the methods that have not
> >>>> been activated, but that are needed later? How long do
> >>>> you have to nurture an image before it stabilizes?
> >>>> Does it stabilize at all?
> >>>>
> >>>> I guess at some point you would be able to generate a
> >>>> new image for the child, start a new vm and continue
> >>>> the nurturing process through the network. Are you
> >>>> doing that?
> >>>>
> >>>> Please try to realise this project under the Squeak-L.
> >>>> A lot of us are eager to play with it.
> >>>> Luciano.-
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Prof. Dr. Stéphane DUCASSE (ducasse at iam.unibe.ch)
> >> http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~ducasse/
> >>  "if you knew today was your last day on earth, what would you do
> >>  different? ... especially if, by doing something different, today
> >>  might not be your last day on earth" Calvin&Hobbes
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> Prof. Dr. Stéphane DUCASSE (ducasse at iam.unibe.ch)
> http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~ducasse/
>   "if you knew today was your last day on earth, what would you do
>   different? ... especially if, by doing something different, today
>   might not be your last day on earth" Calvin&Hobbes
>
>
>