I am glad there are debian packages. THe latest version I could apt-get
was 3.2.5. Also this is I think the full version. There is no way to
apt-get the squeakland version.

Also I found this on the main download page:

"Download sites vary in how they package these files; often, you will
have to download platform-independent and platform-dependent files
separately."

The fact that there _are_ different download sites, and that they
present the files in different formats is very confusing. 

I have trouble even finding what the current version is. The page linked
from squakland offers 3.2.5 version to download. The Unix download page
has 3.4 last time I checked, but some of the files are labled squeak3.5.

So I think there is quite a bit of information, that is in several
different locations, that is often confusing to know what is the best
way to install squeak. Especially on non-MS operating systems. 

Dave

On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 08:55:36PM -0400, Lex Spoon wrote:
> Bert Freudenberg <bert at isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> wrote:
> > Am Donnerstag, 10.07.03 um 16:13 Uhr schrieb Dennis Daniels:
> > 
> > > Squeak hasn't been anywhere as easy to install as I had hoped. Two 
> > > hours later, still not a squeak out of the install. I'm no expert with 
> > > Linux, though I've been using it as my OS (RH) for about a year now... 
> > > Chalk it up to user error, sure. But, Squeak should be as easy as
> > >
> > > apt-get install squeak
> > >
> > > should be easy if teachers are going to be using it.
> > 
> > Squeak's current license conflicts with Debian, that's why there is no 
> > official Debian package. Besides, we would need a maintainer for the 
> > debs. But you are right, and it is the same situation with RedHat RPMs, 
> > unfortunately.
> 
> 
> I have been maintaining the Debs....  I picked them up from Marcus, who
> I think got them from Stephen Stafford.  Ian has also started posting a
> different set of Debs on his web site, for some reason; my email to him
> about it never got an answer.  Anyway, Debian is quite well covered!
> 
> The Debian packages are in fact available through apt-get.  You do have
> to edit your sources.list, due to the licensing problem Bert mentions. 
> This is all explained on the "Download for Unix" page on the Swiki,
> under the heading "Debian".
> 
> Dennis, I am very saddened that you found this confusing, but I am not
> sure how to make it clearer.  Any ideas?  One possible point of
> confusion is RedHat versus Debian.  If "RH" up there means "RedHat",
> then we're barking up the wrong tree and you need to use the RPM's, not
> the Debian packages.
> 
> IMHO, Squeak install on Linux can be *extremely* easy.  Let's make it
> so.
> 
> Also, IMHO, the Debian packages make a pretty decent setup.  After
> installing the packages, you just run Squeak from the main desktop menu.
>  It will make your own image to work in, copied from the most recent
> image that you have installed.  This is all based on the nice
> "inisqueak" script that Ian has written.  Oh, and of course the cute
> Squeak logo Tim Rowledge made, scaled down to stunning rendering in
> 31x31 grayscale.
> 
> 
> Lex  "the Invisible" Spoon
> 

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