[ANN] Jabber

Daniel Vainsencher danielv at netvision.net.il
Thu Jun 26 22:25:57 UTC 2003


What are the weblog standards other than RSS itself? protocols from
posting, so forth?

Daniel

Jim Benson <jb at speed.net> wrote:
> Darius,
> 
> > > or by posting to a blog,
> 
> > Would this be trying to duplicate the Herculean effort that the OSAF
> > foundation is already working on?
> > http://www.osafoundation.org/
> >
> 
> Short answer: no. Chandler is an interesting case study for open source for
> a variety of reasons. However, I've been using Squeak for too long; there's
> nothing there to make me believe that it is (or should be) a 'Herculean'
> effort, even though Chandler has some smart guys coding it up.
> -------
> Of servers and such: There's an inherent advantage of using image based
> development on the server side. What I call the data base wranglers (Zope,
> Groove Networks, Lotus Notes, etc) the server basically sits there and makes
> queries against a database, and then spits out some stuff back down the
> line. Sometimes it serves some static files. Once you have the protocol
> layer and database hookup coded, nothing much interesting happens from a
> software development point of view, just a whole lot of hoops and hurdles
> that you have to jump through.
> 
> Typically, the server is implemented by a whole bunch of small text files
> that get interpreted. However, it's a bitch to develop for; you end up
> editing all of these little files all over the place. Development on such
> beasts is not very pleasant, though people insist that Emacs is a great
> development environment.
> 
> So you end up with Slashdot or Zope CMS or whatever. Personally, I don't
> think that's where the challenge is in web development.
> ------
> Web logs: There are lots of different ways to look at web logs (blogs). You
> can look at them as a collection of of files in a given directory, a data
> base query, as pages in a wiki, etc. There are a few protocols on how to
> 'publish' to weblogs, and how people can make comments or trackbacks, but
> it's all pretty simple stuff. There are well defined protocols on how to
> publish these pages, there's no rocket science going on there.
> 
> Squeak already has most of this built in, except for perhaps a nice little
> calendar application to group the entries, and a good way to tie  together
> all of the different server ideas. Commanche probably can do a lot of this
> as is, unfortunately there's not a whole lot of documentation other than the
> code.
> 
> Almost all of this is trivial, a "Simple Matter of Programming" as I've
> heard famous people say.
> 
> Jim Benson



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