On Saturday 29 November 2003 12:32 pm, raymondasselin at sympatico.ca wrote:
> 1. Can somebody explains what to do (is there something to do?)  when you
> install a package from SM and there is undefined classes lists on the
> Transcript window?

Yes, you have to install the appropriate prerequisite package first.

It sounds like you need the SIXX package first.

> 2. And what to do with UndefinedObject    when trying to install
> Refactoring Browser !

What UndefinedObject? Are you sure you're installing the 3.7 version of the 
Refactoring Browser (Refactoring Browser and related tools)?

Have you installed the MCInstaller package first, as it says in the 
description of the Refactoring Browser package?

> My image is 3.7 5566  and I want to try SmallWiki so I started with a clean
> 3.7 image...
>
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>
> 3. I must say that lots of things are  harder to get together with Squeak
> from 3.6.  It seems to me that this was'nt the case with the 3.5 release. 
> Few examples:
>
> - At Job in WinNT4.0  I can't bring a 3.5 Squeak project (.pr) in 3.6
> Squeak when trying to save it and load it in a 3.6 image there are
> problems.

What problems? Could you please post a bug report?

> - It is the same when trying to save a 'drawing' in Connectors to be able
> to load it in a 3.6 image, or 3.7 one.

Save from what version? Load into what version? 

Could you please post a bug report?

> - Recently there was problems with the MacOSX 10.3  and the VM

I believe that John has been working on this. Realistically, though, it's not 
surprising that things might break from OS version to OS version, and John 
has been good about fixing such problems.

> - There is or was problem whith  filePath in Mac don't know if this is fix,
> nor in which vm or image it is fix, nor if I need to install a patch and
> which in which image.

We've been working on this. I think it's fixed.

> - When I tried to use new version of Seaside with 3.6
> Squeak, Seaside had changed, Comanche had changed, some package on SM try
> to load a Seaside version not anymore served.... - Did you tried to load
> BFAV to understand it and see if you can help in a minimal way the Squeak
> community...I don't know how it is now but two weeks ago this was a mess...
> ...so......fewwwww...!!!
>
> So:
> - projects from image to image is'nt stable..
> - 'drawings' from image to image is'nt stable...(may be it is the same
> problem...don't know). - using SM is'nt stable yet (I know Göran.. the SM2
> will be...). No, -- backtracking --,  SM is stable but the documentation
> which say explicitly which package is a prerequisite an what is the loading
> order is'nt, so for the end user this is the same: the experience is'nt
> stable.
>
> In fact I lost at least 30 hours to try few things in Squeak and nothing
> was working the first time and often I did'nt know how to solve the
> problem.  I don't mind about these hours but i'm a bit 'lost', I don't
> think it is possible to master all aspect of Squeak to use it, and I don't
> think I should understand it all to use it.

Raymond, you're right that you shouldn't have to understand it all to use it.

But it would help (and might have saved you time) if you had asked on the 
list, posting bug reports with good descriptions and stack backtraces.

> BTW, I know what have been done in Squeak from 2.2  image, and thats a lot.
>  In fact what is frustrating is'nt new 'alpha' stuff, it is the old one
> that didn't function any more in new version of Squeak.   A part of the
> problem is mine as I should have been signaling every bug as a bug to the
> community, but this is time consuming when english is your first langage,
> and even more when it is not...this is why I tried to load and use BFAV.

I understand, but reporting a BUG can be as simple as just choosing "mail out 
bug report" from the Debugger context (yellow button) menu (in the stack 
pane).

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> Conclusion:
> - the effort to identify 'maintainers' for differents parts of Squeak will
> be a big improvment.  I think that I now, master Smalltalk sufficiently to
> help but not to be a lead maintainer. - the SM2 is an absolute necessity (I
> know SM2 alpha is there but did'nt check it yet). - Sorry...I was in a  
> '*?%&$'   mood.    Let come back to Squeaking.
>
> Raymond