On 12/09/03 05:23, "Ingo Hohmann" <uysl0l402 at sneakemail.com> wrote:

> Hi Andreas,
> 
> On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 02:06:55AM +0200, Andreas Raab wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Daniel,
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi. I think the multiple viewpoints idea is correct, but I
>>> disagree that there should be a progression from Learners to
>>> Programmers (EToys to Morphic) - part of our audience is
>>> experienced programmers of other languages who may or may
>>> not have interest in EToys.
>> 
>> I couldn't possibly disagree more here ;)
> 
> Oh, really?
> 
> I am *sure* there are different viewpoints between the two groups, but
> as with men and women, wouldn't the world be much less interesting when
> they were both the same? Of course, it only gets _really_ interesting
> once you get them together. ;-)
> 
> So I think the best thing to do is to acknowledge that there are
> differences ...
> 
> Some people would be overwhelmed, if they were thrown into the depth of
> Smalltalk,
> 
> and experienced programmers would feel bored if they were to be led to
> an EToy example, *as the first idea on what there is about Squeak*.
> 
> ... but it should be possible to let them both progress to into the
> viewpoint of the other one.
> 
> There is *one* community, but two very distinct ways to get into it, and
> this should be acknowledged.
> 
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Ingo
I think what exists more of "two" points of views.
Exists kids , what never before was exposed to any computer.
For them , we have E toys.
But also works as Stéphane Ducasse Turtle Logo.
Exists many programmers with several years of "conventional" or "structured"
programming languages (I am one) , trying to find "The Squeak Way"
Exists "pure Smalltalk" guys, with hard earning skills  and not yet enough
Morphic.
Exists bold explorers what push knowledge and then share with all new
territories. (All Xerox = Sun - Apple - pioneers and others).
Exists teachers and others wishing to do presentations.
And many more views.

Edgar