> Michael's more recent page is starting to look pretty good.  (Yes, 
> maybe the right column isn't necessary at first, etc., but those are 
> things that can be worked out.)
>
> The bottom line is, we need to have someone volunteer to work on this 
> for a bit and iterate a few times with posting new versions to the 
> list for review.  Then, if *most* interested people generally agree 
> with certain points about the content, layout, etc., we can go with 
> that.  (You'll never get *everyone* to agree to each point, but more 
> than half is good. ;-) )  For example, it appears that most people 
> (not everyone) so far agree that the squeak.org front page should be 
> static html.  (I'll add that I strongly agree with this too.)

Me too.

> But then there should be several direct links to content on the Swiki, 
> etc.  Obviously stuff like the "where we are headed" pages on 
> squeak.org should not be static html.

Agree

> Anyway, Michael, if you want to volunteer to keep moving this forward, 
> that would be great. <nudge> ;-)  You wouldn't even have to be the 
> permanent maintainer of the site, once it's finished there wouldn't be 
> much work to do... the current squeak.org admins could do it.  
> (Although if you wanted to maintain it that would be great too).  If 
> we don't get volunteers for these sorts of things, the discussions 
> will typically fizzle out and nothing gets done.

:)
But I agree michael please keep going and proposing your ideas and 
integrating the changes you find the best.

Stef

> - Doug
>
>
> On Thursday, September 11, 2003, at 03:59 AM, Michael van der Gulik 
> wrote:
>
>> Giovanni Corriga wrote:
>>> Il mer, 2003-09-10 alle 22:50, Colin Putney ha scritto:
>>>> Looks good to me. The only quibble I have is that I think it would 
>>>> look better without borders between the table cells. Oh, and the 
>>>> right hand column could be dropped if no immediate use is found. It 
>>>> would be easy to put back later if it's needed.
>>
>> The right-hand column is there to make the page look more balanced, 
>> and because lots of other web-sites do that too. I figured it would 
>> be a great place to show things off; screenshots and the like. If I 
>> ever see another free project somewhere, I always make a B-line for 
>> the screenshots for the eye candy (okay, so I'm superficial :-P ). 
>> Squeak has lots of eye-candy.
>>
>>> - the links under "Welcome to Squeak.org" are a bit redundant, given
>>> that they are also in the left column. Also, the header looks nicer
>>> without those three links.
>>
>> Those links are the things that I kind of assume people would use 
>> quite often; shortcuts to the mailing list archive (where most of the 
>> action is) and the swiki. I personally would not like to lose them.
>>
>> If they don't look good then you could probably make them look good 
>> with fancy text, graphics etc...?
>>
>>> - the Download section should be more visible. I'd say it should be
>>> placed before Documentation
>>
>> Agreed! Lets get people addicted ASAP!
>>
>>> - we could add a Projects section just after the Community section,
>>> listing SqueakLand.org, the SqueakMap and Croquet.
>>
>> ...linking to a wiki site somewhere.
>>
>> Which reminds me. If the front page is the only page that has this 
>> colour scheme / theme and all sub-pages are on the wiki, then I'm not 
>> sure what sort of impression we'll be making on people visiting the 
>> site.
>>
>> Can a wiki also have some theme? I think it's moderately important to 
>> have a bit of consistency; make things look fairly professional even 
>> though Squeak is only all good fun.
>>
>>> -  a Development section with useful info, such as the release 
>>> roadmap,
>>> info on the KCP, links about BFAV, the new test server etc.
>>> - a Links with links to ESUG and other smalltalk related sites.
>>
>> There are lots of those... it probably also should be a wiki site. 
>> www.whysmalltalk.com, plus links to other dialects pages, plus 
>> comp.lang.smalltalk...
>>
>> Stef has also made a few comments about my page. Stef: thanks for 
>> your fantastic collection of online books; nobody has the right to 
>> complain about lack of documentation! They should also be linked from 
>> the front page. Perhaps the Squeak CD should also be directly 
>> accessable from the front page?
>>
>> mikevdg.
>>
>>
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