Ciao, Stef,

yes, I know you moved Esug so people has less escuse. Yes, I think I'll be
there, and to OOPSLA too.
Just starting looking to SmallWiki.

Giorgio


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "stéphane ducasse" <ducasse at iam.unibe.ch>
To: "The general-purpose Squeak developers list"
<squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: Helping other for helping us too


Ciao giorgio,

This year esug is in september so I hope to see you there ;)!
  I will not come to seattle but I hope to OOPSLA (I'm forcing myself to
take airplanes). Are you member of the italian mailing-list?
http://www.esug.org/usergroups/smalltalkinitaly/

the new website of esug is completely written in Smalltalk :) this is
SmallWiki behind.
Soon we will do an official announce. ;)

Stef


On 17 avr. 04, at 15:38, Giorgio Ferraris wrote:

> Hi, Stef
>
> Sometime I really think you are rude, but, my GOD, This time you
> should.
>
> OK, I think the comunity should understand that Smalltalk is Smalltalk,
> dialect are second point.
>
> I think Squeak is becoming really great, expecially for the work all
> of you
> are doing, I see tons of mails on this list, but things are exactly as
> Stef
> describe.
> I was developing in Smalltalk long time ago, and i live in Italy, not
> exactly the best place for non mainstream languages, but, I'mk still
> working
> in smalltalk after 15 years, and this is becouse VW is credible.
> I remember how hard life was when ParcPalce dropped VSE (That I still
> use
> heavily ...), and I lost customers and opportunity, and the same was
> for all
> of the people I know around the world.
>
> Now I can say that I gather new customers, just becouse I can show them
> VisualWorks and the company that is behind it, and things are changed
> a bit
> from 6/8 years ago. You now can speak of languages that start on a
> deifferent letter that J and finish on one different that A without
> being
> thrown away.
> Oh, Yes, like a lot of you I do consultancy on Java and C# also, but
> when
> talking about system design ,language is not so important.  But I code
> in
> smalltalk (others code on Java for me), and I'm still happy.
> Without VW, possibility of using smalltalk for living will be very
> limited..
> So please, Squeak, Dolphin, VW, VSE, OS, SmalltalkX, VA, etc are to be
> sustained for the life of the entire community.
>
> Oh, Yes, squeak will probably survive in any case, becouse of its big
> community, but I want to live with smalltalk, not just play with it on
> the
> spare time.
>
>
> BTW, I think we should make the most to have a common base as big as
> possible, becouse we are lot, lot less that Java and C# , so it would
> be
> better concentrate on make good, doifferent thing rather that loose
> time
> moving nice thing on a different dialect with lot of effort.
>
> Long Live Smalltalk, and , I'm really impressed by the work this (the
> Squeak) community is doing. Hope to see many of you in Seattle...
>
> Giorgio Ferraris
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "stéphane ducasse" <ducasse at iam.unibe.ch>
> To: "The general-purpose Squeak developers list"
> <squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
> Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 1:46 PM
> Subject: Re: Helping other for helping us too
>
>
>> hi simon
>>
>> I made a ****lot**** of squeak demoes over the last 5 years and I
>> always see this funny (not fun)
>> smile on the faces of people when I show squeak. "Oh this is chidlish,
>> this is fun but come on not serious......" To the point I pay an
>> extreme attention to the way I do demoes now because I do not want to
> .....
>> stef
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>