Hi,
Replacing the default Browser with OmniBrowser *might* make things easier.
However; the default browser would still need to be available, and if it is
available then Shout should still work with it.
So, whether the default browser remains part of the image, or is split out
into a package, the problem of integrating with it remains the same.
Then there is mvc - I don't know if OmniBrowser works under mvc (or could be
made to work)??

Although I have come up with one solution, for Shout, using AppRegistry,  it
may not be the best solution.
We should take some time to consider the options before making changes to
the kernel.
Perhaps an event model would be more flexible, for instance?
    Browser triggers #needsCodeMorph , #needsCodeView, #builtMVCView,
#builtMorphicView , etc. events.
    And anything can handle those events and change the Browser's behaviour.

I am not familiar with Services, I'll take a look.

The big danger in all this is that we introduce a framework that leads to as
many bugs as would be caused by simply allowing packages included in the
full image to override kernel methods.
So; we need to make kernel changes; but we need to consider carefully what
those changes should be.
If we are aiming to acheive this for 3.9, then there is no great rush.
Cheers,
Andy

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Hi andy

We really think that we should really prepare 3.9 so that the system is
made better to get new tool like yours.

One possibility would also be to throw away the default browser and
replace it by omnibrowser. If it is ready for that. Colin what do you
think?

So the first step is really to send the fix that can go in the kernel,
thne identify what should be done at the kernel level, have you got a
look at the services package because this would be really a good basis
to support RB, shout integration.
Stef



On Aug 24, 2004, at 7:27 PM, Andrew Tween wrote:

> With regard to the Full image / Shout / overridden methods ...
>
> I have done some work on splitting Shout into ...
>     1. a changeset of base image changes.
>         including an MvcTextEditor subclass of AppRegistry (similar to
> MorphicTextEdtior, but for MVC)
>
>     2. a package that makes no changes to existing base image methods.
>        (Although it does add new methods to base classes)
>
> I have achieved the above (see attached files).
> However; I am not happy with they way the code is looking at the
> moment.
> There is a lot of duplication where I have had to create subclasses of
> some
> base classes, and some nasty hacks.
>
> So, it needs some further work; and a lot of testing - particularly in
> mvc.
> But I thought I'd  post what I have so far.
>
> Thanks to all who are working on the full image - which, in the
> future, will
> be even fuller ;>)
> Cheers,
> Andy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marcus Denker" <denker at iam.unibe.ch>
> To: "The general-purpose Squeak developers list"
> <squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 3:51 PM
> Subject: Re: Lessons learnt from been an integrator
>
>
>
> Am 24.08.2004 um 15:57 schrieb Hannes Hirzel:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> stéphane ducasse wrote:
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> here are the lessons we learnt while building the 3.7 image. We
>>> wanted
>>> to have shout, rb, connector
>>> morph in 3.7 but there were too much patches.
>>
>> What do you mean by this? Did the packages not load? Or did they
>> overwrite
>> important methods?
> They overwrite many methods. It makes no sense at all to have a system
> in beta for 4 Months and then change stuff a week before a release.
>
>> How did you find out?
>>
> By looking at the code?
>
>>
>> Thank you Stef for this report.
>>
>> I learn that it is not possible to integrate Ned's connector morphs.
>> What is the reason? Did you contact Ned? He is often amazing how fast
>> he fixes things. I remember that he recently put out a new release.
>> As SM is down currently I cannot check.
>>
> Ned posted *a lot* of fixed for morphic to the list. Many of those are
> required
> for Connectors, but not all of them got added to 3.7.
>
>> It would be very nice to have the connector morphs in 3.7 full. Or
>> perhaps
>> it is not a good idea to integrate something which
>> has not been retested. I would be willing to retest 3.7 full with
>> Ned's
>> connector morphs included. However this will surely add a few days
>> more.
>>
>
> There is no way to add connectors to 3.7, as we can't add all the
> patches.
>
> Maybe people should have put some effort into integrating all the stuff
> into 3.7
> when it was possible, but somehow nobody wanted to do that back then. I
> wrote
> lots of mails to the list that there is work to be done with regard to
> harvesting, but
> everyone seems to be thinking that it is not important.
>
>      Marcus
>
>
>
>
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