>
> Precisely my point. Our definition of what is considered "basic" 
> (e.g., what is fundamentally necessary to run Squeak; what is 
> "infrastructure") is so different... For me a Squeak without Graphics, 
> Sound and 3D is totally unthinkable. What we call now the basic image 
> is a neutered down version of Squeak that is almost not worth looking 
> at. The full image has strictly an alibi function (notice how all of 
> the discussions center exclusively around the basic image). Oh well. 
> Time to draw the consequences I guess.

Please do not say that. Your nihilism is something boring :)
But again if the only people doing some stuff are not good in 3d, 
sounds (Yes I listen mp3 only),
and graphics what can we do? How many times did we ask for MM guide?

Stef