On 21/12/04 10:34, "Stéphane Rollandin" <lecteur at zogotounga.net> wrote:

> Dynabook concept. I also find this very interesting page:
> 
> http://thinkubator.ccsp.sfu.ca/Dynabook
> 
> 
> now considering the following points (I hope I'm not interpreting too
> much what I read, please bear with my approximations and errors):
> 
> - we have had an argument on thread "[RANT] Come on people! ;)" about
> direction in an Open Source project and the role of Guides.
> 
> - in parallel the thread "What is Squeak ?" shows that there are
> multiple fundamental points in the purpose and structure of Squeak where
> the so-called "community" does not agree on.
> 
> - we went close to have a fork happening with Berne people, while a
> discussion about the rewrite of the file system eventually showed that
> Flow could not currently be integrated with Squeak and that it belongs
> to Spoon (ex-Squat) which looks a lot like another fork.
> 
> - then we have Croquet and Tweak somewhere in space, with no clear idea
> (at least for some of us) of their exact relation to Squeak.
> 
> - there is as always the tension blue plane/pink plane and its
> consequences on backward compatibility matters.
> 
> 
> considering those points, I would like to ask the Guides to initiate and
> conduct a discussion which aim would be to provide the current vision
> for Squeak.
> 
> I use the word "vision" (with the Dynabook as an example of what is a
> vision) so that it is clear that I am not asking for strong directions,
> nor strict rules, nor enforcements of any kind, but simply for a
> satisfying and generally agreed response to the question "what is
> Squeak, today ?". maybe there is no answer to this question and multiple
> forks (and/or Universes) are the way to go, I don't know. but I believe
> some context should be provided both for newcomers and for developpers
> about Squeak purpose and future.
> 
> what do other people think ?
> 
> 
> Stef
I  wish to say.

Squeak is what you wish as long as you put all you energy on it.

What means spending money, time, or both.

Avi give you another point of view of my "Big Bang" scream of a couple of
months ago.

Lucky us , seems more people are focused on 3.8g now.

So, if you wish a better system , start trying to test if 3.8g have the
tools what you need.

If not, try SqueaqMap and send reports to list for bugs or problems.

If still don't get what you need , help us to "invent to future", no matter
if not all share your vision.

Remember, The Journey is the Reward.

Saludos desde el Sur (for you see many of us are not English native speakers
)

Edgar "Advocatus Diaboli"