On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 07:31:36 -0800, Alan Kay <alan.kay at squeakland.org>  
wrote:

> It's not clear that a "genuine class" is actually what children need. We  
> have tried many variations over the years, and are about to try yet  
> another.

Well, of course, your goals may be different from mine, as may those of  
the children you have in mind versus those I have in mind. My children's  
needs are pretty specific: To be able to make programs like the ones they  
see and use regularly.

Does this require "genuine classes"? I don't know. I do know that design  
concepts are important. I could see traits and refactoring incorproated  
into Etoys, and that going a long way.