On Feb 13, 2004, at 11:56 PM, ducasse wrote:

> I see.
> Ginsu has that and it would be good to be able to have that too. I 
> think that KCP is cleaning the run-time while
> what we need in that case is real package holding definition objects 
> which lazzily forward to run-time entities where they are there
> (as in Ginsu). So I would suggest to make package not only a facade 
> for the system but introduce real objects.
> This also means that we need a browser that manipulates these entities 
> (as in Ginsu). But we could esaily said that class categories have 
> been promoted first class objects = Package.
>
> If you have another solution propose one. I would like to know how we 
> could do that otherwise (ie without compromising the
> current run-time semantics and in this elegant way). I really think 
> that the semantics model as in ginsu is simple, obvious and nice.

I think it would be simpler to just extend/rewrite SystemOrganization 
and ClassOrganization to do what we need (or introduce a new 
organization scheme in parallel).  I don't see the use cases for which 
it would be useful to keep the actual definition objects around, but 
maybe you can enlighten me...