Yes yes... It's true that you guys add a lot to Squeak.
In spite of that, and in spite of how smart you are Avi, you seem to 
lack wisdom.  I don't really know you or anybody here, but I believe you 
must be very young, and may be a bit immature, to be so arrogant and to 
show so little respect towards the work of Chris (whom I don't know 
either), but who is obviously someone very smart as well, and with the 
balls to undertake the enormous problem of object persistence in Squeak 
by himself.  I don't know who do you respect here, may be Alan Kay, may 
be Dan Ingalls.  I haven't done a lot of research but I'm sure they 
don't come out to people who is trying to add value to Squeak that way.
Smalltalk is been around for a looong time without gaining almost any 
success in the real world, and indeed, in my humble oppinion this is 
still a gehetto that really needs to support people like Chris facing 
the important challenges that Squeak has.  I am the vicepresident of a 
software company, and although I enjoy *a lot* playing with Squeak in my 
spare time, I believe it would be irresponsible to use it in almost 
every production environment I know.  There's a lot of work to be done, 
and the very few that do the most important struff (you and Chris for 
instance) should really support each other (imho).
The funny thing is that you remind me of myself when I was in my early 
twenties.  Years will probably teach you that humbleness is not a curse.
Cheers !


ramiro



goran.krampe at bluefish.se wrote:

>Regarding you two guys obviously not communicating so good :) with each
>other - well, I for one appreciate what you are doing Avi (detailed
>testing) and I am sure Chris does too. You came on a bit hard a few
>times so Chris got defensive, and now Chris, accidentally I think,
>sounded a bit like your problems aren't "for real".
>
>So to *both* of you: lighten up, cool down, have fun. :) This is Squeak
>after all!
>
>And now don't jump on me - I like both of you! :)
>
>regards, Göran
>  
>