Hi,

So how do we resolve this? It would be nice to have a solution that 
would be good for everyone.

The only solution I see is to do two releases with one "customer" each: 
a fast 3.8 for squeakland, and directly after
that a 3.9 in the timeframe that we defined for 3.9. 3.9 would be the 
"smallland" sync release.

Would that be possible? would anybody be Ok with that?

For the future, I would like to see two things:

  1) More communication between the foundet projects and between the 
community and the projects
  2) More involvement of the projects in the day-to-day Bug-fixing 
process and release coodination of squeak.org Squeak.


   Marcus



Am 09.10.2004 um 11:39 schrieb stéphane ducasse:

>> Has it been that long already? I apologize. With two upcoming 
>> releases, with preparing various new projects and spending too much 
>> time on airports time really flies by.
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> I understand but this is true that with marcus we really wanted to 
> push all the pending fixes because during nearly a month or more 
> nothing happened. And this is what diego pointed.
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>>> Meanwhile the community moved in another directing in absence of 
>>> answers
>>> from you.  Talking for myself I changed my plans about Small-Land's
>>> release delaying it for weeks and I invested time and effort merging 
>>> my
>>> changes in unstable stream to join 3.8.
>>
>> Do I understand you correctly that you would like to see the 3.8 
>> release to be in sync with the Small-Land release? If so, would it 
>> matter if the Small-Land release were sync-ed with the 3.9 release 
>> instead?
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> I'm not diego but I think that we could (but for that we would need 
> help) release a fast 3.9 if diego needs it.
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>>> Note that more than 2 months had elapsed since the original idea of
>>> ultraConservative-shortRelease for 3.8. That means we spent more time
>>> waiting that the time we decided to invest on 3.8UltraStable (As it 
>>> was
>>> 2 months).
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> Andreas I hope that you will have more time in the future for every 
> (bodies) :)
> Now I would like to take the opportunity to raise the following points:
> 	- it would be nice that the main players in Squeak have more visible 
> schedules (even if they do not have to be mentioned
> 	months in advanced, may change....)
> 	- I think that a bit of communication would ***really*** help.
> 	- We tried to do that with ESUG but partially failed.
> 	- Sometimes I have the feeling that Squeaklanders, tweakers, plays a 
> bit alone (I understand because
> 	this is certainly the best way for you to go fast) still it would be 
> nice to have some known points or targets
> 	
> For example, since I saw the latest version of Tweak I stopped to 
> think at all about morphic and morphic improvements.
> Now the questions is that Tweak does not exist because we do not know 
> "publicly" what it is what are the plans.
> I understand well that having plans for tweak too early can be as bad 
> as none. Because during that time, people such as
> diego needs a better Morphic and look. Still it would be nice to have 
> a vision at one year. And to see how /if transition is planned
> get tweak instead of Morphic.
>
> So I do not ask you to react on this particular aspects but think in 
> term of how to improve the communication
> between all the partners. I think that this would have been the role 
> of squeak foundation but this stuff
> never existed. So may be we should make it real.
>
> Stef
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