On 18 sept. 04, at 22:16, Brad Fuller wrote:

> Stef, I agree with you that tests are important. I'm not suggesting 
> that they are not. I'm saying that I agree with Alexander: to get 
> people to do them, make it part of the process so that they have to do 
> them.

Excatly but as I cannot change the process, I'm just on strike now :)

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> stéphane ducasse wrote:
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>> Come on brad.  This is a bit too easy to blame the process, I wrote a 
>> tutorial only for the purpose that people can understand and write 
>> tests.  So this is clear that an hyper genial tool would help to push 
>> the idea of tests but right now we do not have it. Still tests are 
>> important.
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>> Stef
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>> On 18 sept. 04, at 19:43, Brad Fuller wrote:
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>>> I don't want to speak for Alexander, but I'm going to go out on a 
>>> limb here: I believe he agrees with you that the test can be simple 
>>> and should be included. By suggesting a process, Alexander is 
>>> strongly implying that it isn't the people at fault -- the system is 
>>> the cause of the problem and the cause of the solution. If we want 
>>> to improve the situation, improve the system.
>>>
>>> brad
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