Marcus Denker wrote:

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> Am 01.09.2005 um 00:12 schrieb Jecel Assumpcao Jr:
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>> In short: the Self world lacked its Andreas and Ian which was the main
>> factor why Self and Squeak followed different paths.
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> But if you then look at the development of Tweak/Croquet
> and the latest discussions on the vm-list, it seems they learned their
> lesson and now are using a much more closed (hostile?)
> form of development...
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> So something clearly did not went the right way with Squeak from their
> perspective.
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> One thing that the Traits discussion again has shown that it is very  
> hard
> to innovate in Squeak. There is a huge hostility against doing new
> things, even if the alternative is complete standstill.
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>     Marcus
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Jecel-
Thanks for the history lesson.  I think I agree with your points. 

Marcus-
But if one wants the status quo, surely one just adopts a specific Squeak. 
Traits would seem at this point to be the best of both worlds: 'old' 
Squeak is unaffected, and experimenters can try out the newer technology. 

David