Am 10.02.2005 um 16:55 schrieb Lex Spoon:

>
>>> Oh, I don't know. I think there is a significant number of projects 
>>> which
>>> wouldn't pass your own definition of "openness"...
>>
>> Not sure what you mean, but that is what I said. :) I know that I keep
>> bitching about openness and all that. Can't help it. Perhaps this is
>> related to the fact that I am in this community all by "myself" and 
>> you
>> guys are working on company paid projects. Different perspectives I
>> suppose.
>
> Just as a me too:
>
> I have a different perspective too, and since I'm not paid for my
> research, I guess it must be for a different reason!
>
> I think Tweak has been plenty open, and that people on squeak-dev have
> been unbelievably grabby lately.  We know all that we need to know to
> move forward: Tweak is really cool, and Tweak is unreleased.  This is a
> typical state of affairs for a Squeak project, and it is not something
> special about Tweak.  It will be released and opened whenever that 
> seems
> right.
>
> I find myself having trouble explaining why I think it is okay to be
> tight mouthed about a new idea.  It is just how design works.  So, yes,
> it seems to be a different world view!
>
> To make one effort: When you are in the midst of a design process --
> even one that takes years -- you need to spare all of your mental 
> energy
> for the problem at hand.  If you want some input from other people, 
> that
> is one thing, but what if you are seeking a design that you can just
> barely see but is a little bit out of reach?  Then keep reaching, I 
> say!
>  Talk about it and share code once you have a handle on it or have 
> given
> up for now on getting your hands on it.
>
> But yes, too much philosophy.  I am just tossing this out so that 
> people
> don't get the idea Andreas is an incredible weirdo.  There are at least
> two who think you don't have to put your babies naked on the street for
> random passersby to play with.  Let them grow a little bit, first.  :)
>
> -Lex
>
>
> PS -- "Islands" is a way to isolate projects that you can read about on
> the swiki.

http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/islands

>  I am not working on that project any more personally, and I
> don't know if anyone else has started a project by the same name.  For
> the record, I'm not pursuing the Islands approach any longer.  If I do
> work on secure squeak sandboxes again (it's important!!), I will drop
> the compatibility requirement, at least initially.  It is already a 
> hard
> project, and trying to run legacy Morph's added a huge extra can of
> worms to deal with that sucked away tremendous time.
>
> In fact, Islands is already perfectly usable, if you aren't worried
> about Morphic compatibility....

Andreas just used the same name. Read about it here:
	http://impara.de/pipermail/tweak/2005-February/000434.html

- Bert -