On Wednesday 16 February 2005 11:12, goran.krampe at bluefish.se wrote:
> Hi all!
>
> "Frank Shearar" <Frank.Shearar at rnid.org.uk> wrote:
> > goran.krampe at bluefish.se <goran.krampe at bluefish.se> wrote:
> >
> > <snip loads of stuff>
> >
> > > The general community? Well, speak up. That is the only way we will
> > > really know. Given all we have been doing and are doing for the
> > > community I really think most people realize we are "good guys" with
> > > good intent. Really.
> >
> > My opinion: I don't particularly care how my image-related bugfixes, ENH
> > etc, get in the image, as long as they get reviewed and harvested
> > reasonably promptly.
>
> He, yes indeed. :)
>
> > That means that SOMEONE has to take responsibility and be granted the
> > authority (capability) to, for instance, harvest a bugfix. Right now,
> > what decision processes do we have? None. And, well, looking at the names
> > on that "in group", I'm happy to give them my support - I've not been a
> > member of the Squeak community for particularly long, but I've seen these
> > guys do good work and prove they're on the up & up.
>
> Thank you. People out there - we need to hear what you all think now.
> Negative or positive. It matters a lot to us.

Ok, here goes - I'm one of the many lurkers like Mikael... 

I am glad :-) some people stepped up and are prepared to carry the burden of 
leadership. My first reaction was like Blake's:

>I know my inclination to contribute has been stifled by a sense of  
>uncertainty picked up from this list over the past few months.
>If there are others like me (and I suspect there are) this uncertainty is  
>tantamount to throwing away resources--not something Squeak can afford.

I'd go even further - my inclination to use has been stifled... I believe, 
that in order to attract and maintain a user- and developer- base Squeak needs 
a heartbeat in the form of regular, clearly marked releases (and in between 
those releases, regular updates). Current work and discussions on image 
shrinking, packaging and a new website give me hope :-).  I trust the new 
leadership will create the necessary focus to converge these efforts.

I also agree with what Frank Shearer wrote above, and Phil Hargett in another 
mail. 

I hope the new leadership and later on process will provide a way in which the 
creativity obviously present in this community can be used effectively. 

I wish the new leadership all the best, and I wish you fun doing it :-)

cheers,

Willem.

>
> > Hey, if it doesn't work, kick them out.
>
> Exactly. It is simple - we are putting ourselves on the line and giving
> you our effort and time to make good things happen. You want to turn
> this down? Or you wnat to decide later on that we are just barfing it
> all up? Fine. Kick us out hard or send the spetznaz as Tim put it.
>
> Now - just to make two important clarifications:
>
> 1. Perhaps I was a bit vague on the time limit of this leadership. I got
> feedback saying that at least. So here it is. Maximum 12 months.
> Regardless of what the hell is happening we are stepping down
> 2006-02-15.
> But we may very well end up short of gasoline a lot earlier than that,
> so I *urge* all parties involved
> in the SqF formation (including us) to get moving.
>
> 2. I think we/I did one mistake when forming this group. We didn't
> contact Dan for his view and support
> before doing this. That was primarily my mistake because I have been in
> contact with Dan sporadically over time and he has given me some advice
> and input during the Guides period, so why I forgot to talk with Dan I
> really don't know. I do hope he will show us his support though.
>
> So I admit - perhaps we should have done that differently.
>
> regards, Göran

-- 
Willem van den Ende
http://ruminations.willemvandenende.com