On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:57:17 -0800, Dan Ingalls <Dan at SqueakLand.org> wrote:

> I have a number of thoughts...
>
I was afraid of that, yes... ;)

> 6.  The only serious remaining part of this project (wait a minute, *is*  
> this part of the project? ;-)  is to make EToys into a package.

Yup, very much so.

>  Here I think we need some discussion about where we draw the line as to  
> what remains in Basic, and what goes into the EToy package.

Indeed. On IRC, Goran commented about this as well. Personally, I think  
that it'd be fine if we make *some* cut. It doesn't need to be final,  
beyond dispute, whatever. Just let us draw a proposed border that seems  
reasonable and see what everybody thinks. When we have to  
loadable/unloadable packages, fine-tuning the cut will be very easy and  
can be done by incremental changes (in other words "regular boring work").

> 7.  We will need some tests to tell us when the EToy package is working  
> fully.  Important here, I think, is to have a *person* or several who is  
> capable of doing this testing, and able to fix simple problems until it  
> works.
>
Get people from SqueakLand to do that bit? I can grab a tile and toy with  
it, but I'm hardly aware of all of EToys. I think we need one or two  
specialists for this...

> 8.  Lastly, it would be great to get someone on board who is interested  
> in the Abstract UI project.
I'm on the 'ui' list as well, that discusses these topics. One of the  
items on my tiny todo list is to make wxSqueak use ToolBuilder. Or do you  
mean something bigger than that by 'Abstract UI'? (/me always gets itches  
when hearing the word 'Abstract' ;)).

Anyway, to support due process:
- Dan, welcome aboard!
- I will exercise my (and the team members') patience by allowing one more  
day for people to raise their objections against the Team's proposed  
activities (and the end result, having the Team's work in the image some  
time this summer). Tomorrownight I'll setup the mailing list and then we  
can start hashing out the best strategy to tackle this thing.

John: if you'd like to advise us around on this project, please shout and  
I'll add you to the mailing list.

Regards,

Cees