On Feb 23, 2005, at 4:19 PM, Tim Rowledge wrote:

> PA <petite.abeille at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Feb 23, 2005, at 23:32, Cees de Groot wrote:
>>
>>> Turn the issue around: don't blame software builders for producing 
>>> bad
>>> designs. Blame the software for letting them produce bad designs.
>>
>> Well... for once... perhaps Smalltalk should try to catch up with 
>> good,
>> old, IB:
> Now don't get me started on Menu Bars again...
>

Nevermind the menu bars - at least IB has an understandable layout 
model (struts, springs, voila).  Morphic layout remains 
incomprehensible and cryptic.  We could learn a lot from IB on 
specifying layout.