Blake, that seams to be the problem just been reported (see thread  
"3.8 packaged with proxy server on !! "). Try evaluating "HTTPSocket  
stopUsingProxyServer" or download the fixed image that Marcus  
uploaded yesterday.

Cheers,
Adrian

On Jul 6, 2005, at 1:26 PM, Blake wrote:

> On Wed, 06 Jul 2005 02:26:21 -0700, Avi Bryant  
> <avi.bryant at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Of those I know?  All of them.  Including me.  Not, obviously,  
>> that any of us decided to build our businesses around Squeak  
>> before using it for a while, but all of us started using (or  
>> writing ;) Seaside while new to Squeak and never looked back.
>>
>
> Seaside is, IMO, a good entree to Squeak, though that almost seems  
> paradoxical. (I think it may be because it's a small but useful  
> subset of functionality, sorta like learning to program in teletype- 
> mode.) I came very close to using it for a project I have right  
> now. The only thing that stopped me was that my target is PDAs.
>
>
>> I'm not trying to make any particular point here, just offering  
>> information since you asked.
>>
>
> Nor was I. And thanks.<s>
>
>
>> Am I turning my nose up?  I'm sorry, I genuinely didn't mean to  
>> be.  Just because I don't think Squeak will ever have the mass- 
>> market appeal of Delphi
>>
>
> Next time I'm on a Delphi board, I'm going to have to tell them  
> they have "mass-market appeal". They'll enjoy that. (It's all  
> perspective, eh?)
>
> < certainly doesn't meant we shouldn't try to address individual
>
>> concerns.  And I'm hardly uninterested in the issue of connecting  
>> to relational databases - I've written, for Squeak, several tools  
>> for object/relational mapping (the most interesting of which is  
>> probably ROE), a binding for SQLite, a simple bridge to let you  
>> use JDBC drivers, etc.  I actually don't think Squeak's database  
>> access story is that bad (at least from my web developer's biased  
>> view), but it could certainly be improved.
>>
>
> I don't know if it's good or bad. I just know the bar is WAY higher  
> than elsewhere. And that seems wrong.
>
>
>> - it sounds like you were having trouble installing the ODBC  
>> package.  It actually works fine for me; can anyone else reproduce  
>> the issue?
>>
>
> I'm using the 3.8-6665 from squeak.org. It looks like I can't  
> install much without getting the eocd error, including  Worlds of  
> Squeak. But now it looks to me like the problem may be a connection  
> issue. All code update servers seem to be unavailable, all  
> squeakmap master servers are down (though the package loader itself  
> comes up). Scamper can get ftp sites but says the unibe.ch proxy is  
> down if I try to get an http.
>
>
>> - there's no good data grid; definitely a problem, but one several  
>> people have mentioned they're working on.
>>
>
> Yep. I'm following a half-dozen works in progress. Have been for  
> some time. Hoping this will all lead to contributions from me  
> rather than just complaints.
>
>
>> - anything else?
>>
>
> There are other big issues, of course. But nothing that hasn't been  
> hashed over a zillion times already.
>
>
>