Too annoyed with Zope: a Squeak alternative?

Brian Rice water at
Mon May 9 01:50:39 UTC 2005

See the website: for Seaside, and you should  
also mention the most CMS-like (generally what people want Zope or  
similar solution for) Squeak framework, Smallwiki, at: http://

On May 8, 2005, at 3:56 PM, Cees De Groot wrote:

> HttpView and Seaside. That plus the built-in functionality of Comanche
> probably fills every need you may have. It's a very powerful triad,
> and I'm working on a Grand Unified Theory that will show how to
> elegantly combine them ;-)
> Zope sucks, it's too complicated. I've been through the whole learning
> curve, it's too damn steep and when you get there it wasn't worth the
> trouble.
> On 5/9/05, John Hinsley <johnhinsley at> wrote:
>> That's it really: I'd sooner do without the old Apache/MySQL/php  
>> triad,
>> but Zope is both overly complicated and, well, pretty inscrutable:  
>> it's
>> also rather boring!

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