squeak on bsd (was: team laptop reports failure)

Jimmie Houchin jhouchin at cableone.net
Mon May 30 21:40:28 UTC 2005

John Pfersich wrote:
> I'm not sure what your issues are with Linux, but if it's security,
 > I can't recommend OpenBSD enough. The previous release, 3.6 (3.7 just 
came out 19 May)
 > has packages for Squeak 3.6 already set for use for most platforms,
 > all you have to do is install them.
> IIRC, you live in Brazil, notes for ordering are here,
 > http://www.openbsd.org/orders.html#brazil.
 > It might be difficult to download as the new release just came out
 > and the download servers seem to be swamped.

I've am (been) exploring my OS options.
I've looked somewhat into OpenBSD in the last couple of days as I read a 
  review mentioned on LWN (Linux Weekly News)  http://www.lwn.net at
NewsForge http://os.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/05/20/1426216&from=rss

In the article it mentioned things you won't get with OpenBSD like 
proprietary or more restricted licensed software, such as Apache 2...
Yuck. Seems to be quite political.

I think too many of the Linux distros are too political.
That's why most of them won't include Squeak.

However, NetBSD seems interesting. It even includes the Squeak vm.
How many linux distros from the distro source contain such?
Are there any?

I don't know that NetBSD is going to be any significantly or inherantly 
less secure than OpenBSD.

I look forward to hearing from Jecel on what he learns.

I would also be very interested in hearing what Jecel has to say about 
his view of negative features with some Linux distros and also FreeBSD.
What are the negative features spoken of?

I've never used a BSD and currently not knowledgable about the 
difficulty of install. I guess I need to go learn. :)


>  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: Jecel Assumpcao Jr <jecel at merlintec.com>
>>Bruce O'Neel wrote on Fri, 27 May 2005 12:59:03 +0000
>>>You might, or might not, find it easier to use NetBSD.
>>Thanks for the tip! I am reading the NetBSD manual now. I had already
>>checked out FreeBSD (after verifying that Ian had Squeak binaries for
>>that) but it seemed to have all the negative features of the main Linux
>>distributions that I was trying to avoid.
>>>One of my back burner projects is an iso to install
>>>a Squeak Machine and one to install a Lisp machine.
>>>It's way back burner though.
>>In the case of my web server I just need something that will work today,
>>but I have some older machines around that I want to play with and am
>>not in a hurry so I can check out far less polished alternatives. I am
>>particularly interested in trying to run Squeak on top of the Utah OSKit
>>(http://www.cs.utah.edu/flux/oskit/). There is already a "Scheme
>>machine" this way.
>>A more conventional live CD Squeak might be easier to make starting from
>>Knoppix or some variation of it.
>>-- Jecel

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