Hey - I'm not telling you how to do product management for VW, James.
Well, not this time <duck>.

But this, err, is the Squeak list ;-)

On 10/7/05, James Robertson <jarober at gmail.com> wrote:
> At 05:04 AM 10/7/2005, you wrote:
> >Guys, will you take this bickering about Java definitions off-list,
> >please? We've got work to do ;-).
> >
> >Servlets are another potentially useful idea gone bad in the Java
> >world. It's a technology, not a concept. It's not our technology, and
> >the last time I looked at it it was sucking technology, so let's not
> >transplant these words.
>
> Whether the technology sucks or not really isn't at issue.  The general
> problem that a lot of people run into - and one that we found VisualWave
> didn't solve) is this - it's an uphill battle to bring Smalltalk into an
> organization.  Getting it okayed for a web app is simplified if much of the
> existing infrastructure (web developers who know how to create ASP/JSP
> style pages) can be reused.
>
> Whether we think that's a useful way to create web apps is far less
> interesting than whether it allows Smalltalk to get more use.
>
>
> >To me, the concept is called a service. You have a service in your
> >image that can spit out something a browser understands? Call it a
> >web-enabled service for my part :-).
> >
> >Now, to go back to the original question:
> >" I want to do what java calls servlet, in other words I want an
> >application executing on the server and is displayed in the webbrowser
> >and be able to read and write to files."
> >
> >That is possible with any of the web frameworks in Squeak:
> >- Seaside for complex user interaction;
> >- SmallWiki for content-management apps;
> >- Swiki if you happen to like the architecture;
> >- Comanche if you want to serve external files and of course to plug
> >all three above together;
> >- ...
> >
> >Seaside seems to have the most clout at the moment. SmallWiki is being
> >rewritten to Seaside, so at the end of the day it won't be an
> >exclusive-or.
> >
> >Original poster: if you could give a more specific example of what you
> >want to do, we can give more specific advice. You'll also prevent
> >James and Blake bitching at each other ;-)
> >
> >On 10/7/05, Blake <blake at kingdomrpg.com> wrote:
> > > On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 14:54:39 -0700, James Robertson <jarober at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Using the VW framework, you can define a servlet endpoint in an html
> > > > page in the same way you would for a Java servlet.
> > >
> > > There are lots of ways to do this, yes. Delphi has at least six ways to do
> > > it, I believe.
> > >
> > > > What's the difference?  The image fires up a new instance instead of
> > > > loading (and caching) from disk.  So what?
> > >
> > > What's the point in distinguishing between "server" and "servlet"? I would
> > > consider a server to be a standalone application that has a loose or no
> > > connection with a web-server, while a servlet can't exist without one.
> > >
> > > If that definition offends you, feel free to not use it.
> > >
> > >
>
> <Talk Small and Carry a Big Class Library>
> James Robertson, Product Manager, Cincom Smalltalk
> http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/blog/blogView
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