On 13 oct. 05, at 03:09, Juan Vuletich wrote:

> Hi Stephane,
>
> Going back to your original message, I believe MC is not the tool for
> harvesting. WRT MorphicSplitters, using just change sets, and  
> loading the
> cs in the update stream would have been much easier.

I do not think that this is the deepest problem. This is true that by  
trying
we are bumping into problems and avi is supporting us and helping.

> MC is the tool for managing packages that are external and not too  
> big.

No this is nearly working.

> I know we should be offering help or ideas for a different  
> harvesting model,
> but I can't offer any of these. I'm sorry.

Continue to split modularize.
:)

>
> Cheers,
> Juan Vuletich
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "stéphane ducasse"  
> <ducasse at iam.unibe.ch>
> To: "The general-purpose Squeak developers list"
> <squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 1:53 PM
> Subject: Need to do something
>
>
>
>> Hi guys
>>
>> this is a first alarm of a real and deep problem, I start to be
>> personally exhausted to
>> harvest and try to use MC for doing that. May be after all I'm too
>> stupid.
>>
>> We are trying the debug a process to harvest and build the image  
>> and  at
>> the same
>> time harvest changes and this is TEDIOUS because we do not have  
>> the  time
>> to
>> learn and fix if necessary MC to improve the process. Avi is also   
>> really
>> busy and
>> using MC is really slow (when you load and reload squeak even on  
>> my  fast
>> machine).
>>
>> Now the problem is simple: if we do not do it, ***nobody*** will  
>> do it.
>> And I start to be tired, working in two places, managing two  
>> groups  of
>> researchers,
>> teaching, living in two countries........... So we should find a   
>> solution
>> else the process
>> will burn marcus too like in the past and after we are fucked up.  
>> Let  us
>> face it.
>>
>> I thought that it could be a work for the foundation but we do  
>> not  want
>> to open
>> a war or destroy the community by proposing that someone get payed to
>> help us
>> to fix the process/problem. Once I asked Ned if he could help and   
>> been
>> payed
>> but again we do not know how to proceed.
>>
>> So if you have any suggestion think twice before but now there is   
>> still
>> time to say
>> something and make sure that the process support itself. But  
>> right  now I
>> do not see how
>> we can continue like that. Seriously, I have fun to clean,  
>> harvest  fixes
>> but
>> not like that and we need help.
>>
>> Stef
>>
>>
>>
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