Smalltalk and Self

stéphane ducasse ducasse at iam.unibe.ch
Thu Sep 1 17:51:01 UTC 2005


Quite easy.

There were a lot of discussions about the need of packages.
The stableSqueak effort developed fork with a meta-model that  
supported packages (a bit more advanced
than the one underlying MC but the tool were not really mainstream  
and merging, diff were missing.
Joseph Perline an Envy and Smalltalk guru succeeded to pissed of a  
lopt of people by calling them Sunday programmers :)

In the same time, Henryk proposed a new package system that was a  
kind of changeset based. I asked alex which was started
his PhD to help henryk, all the guys from berne (me, roel, nathanael,  
alex, and andrew visiting on sabbatical) tried hard to understand
the package model of henryk. We invited him to visit us so that we  
could understand the model. We failed, a lot of questions
remained not answered. Still dan boldy pushed the work on henryk  
because the community wanted into squeak 3.3alpha.
We continued to try to understand, andreas wrote a package browser....
But nobody was using 3.3alpha, six months later I asked that we  
realized that its was a failure, therefore SqC removed
the modules code from the stream. Henryk was mad and telling that I  
was a troll....(even if he slept at my place when visiting us)
and he vanished.

So this is not a problem of the community but a problem that the  
ideas where far too complex if 5 researchers on language design
cannot get it in 10 min.

Stef


On 1 sept. 05, at 19:04, Victor Rodriguez wrote:

> Hello,
>
> 2005/8/31, Jecel Assumpcao Jr <jecel at merlintec.com>:
>
>> Marcus Denker wrote on Thu, 1 Sep 2005 01:05:22 +0200
>>
> [snip]
>
>> The first major part of Squeak that was developed in a relatively  
>> public
>> way was the 3.3 modules and that led to a lot of anger and people
>> leaving our community. While I don't think there was any relation at
>> all, I can understand it if some people hesitate to do things this  
>> way
>> again.
>>
>
> This is very interesting and, at least to me, makes it seem like the
> Squeak community was significantly lessened. Would you mind to give a
> brief description of what happened, for the benefit of those of us new
> to Squeak?
>
> BTW, I have been lurking in the mailing list for a while now, and
> still I do not have a clear picture of who the leaders of Squeak are.
> At any rate, Alan Kay and Dan Ingalls do not seem to have any
> involvment in Squeak any more. So, who are the Squeak leaders? Whose
> responsibility is it to decide the immediate future of Squeak?
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Victor Rodriguez.
>
>
>




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