On Sep 30, 2005, at 8:55 PM, Jason Rogers wrote:

> On 09/30/2005 02:18 PM, Romain Robbes apparently said:
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>>> I am jumping in kind of late on this discussion, so I apologize  
>>> if  it's already been covered.
>>>
>>> What about using the function keys or another keystroke   
>>> combination?  My preference would be to *not* modify the double   
>>> click action.  The way I do it in Eclipse is to doubleClick.   
>>> Then  I press F3 or some other key combination and it takes me  
>>> there.
>>>
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>> yes but I'd rather do it with only clicking, as it seems to me to  
>> be  faster (the alternative being to keep a key pressed,
>> maybe this can be done somehow).
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> That's surprising.  I thought you were a vim user :)  I find that  
> taking my hand off of the keyboard and reaching for the mouse is  
> much slower.  As much as possible I like to use keyboard navigation.
>

yes I am. but if you take the metaphor of the web browser, it makes  
more sense. I find myself navigating most of the time through
5-10 methods at the same time, without editing. Then I start editing  
again. For this the mouse is faster.


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>>>   Eclipse also has the concept of the browser back and forward   
>>> buttons that will help me navigate through my history of   
>>> navigations -- these actions are also bound to Alt-LeftArrow and   
>>> Alt-RightArrow.
>>>
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>> with services you can do that by default with meta-[ and and  
>> meta-]  (or apple-[, windows-[)
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> Ah, I didn't know that.  I will have to employ it.
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you have also alt-shift-[ in message lists (next list of message ...)

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>>> Eclipse also adds the ability to navigate and get information by   
>>> just placing the cursor anywhere in the text.  So for this code,   
>>> "someObject.doS[cursor positioned here]omething();", pressing F3   
>>> takes me to the method doSomething() in someObject's class.  I   
>>> don't know how hard that would be in Squeak, but it sure would  
>>> be  nice to have.
>>>
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>> Well you kind do that with services (just placing the cursor  
>> instead  of selecting text), except the shortcut is longer.
>> In fact this is the same thing used for click-navigation.
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> So, I can't press Alt+n in the following and get to senders?
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>    aCollection sel[cursor here]lect: [:e | true]
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> What else would I have to do?

I was conservative and did not override the default shortcuts, but  
maybe I could ;-)
They are
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     Romain

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> -- 
> Jason Rogers
>
> "I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I,
> but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in
> the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved
> me, and gave himself for me."
>    Galatians 2:20
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     Romain Robbes
     http://www.inf.unisi.ch/~robbes/