Looking for good souls
stéphane ducasse
ducasse at iam.unibe.ch
Mon Apr 24 15:50:51 UTC 2006
May be to be really clear we could call it
welcome-squeakers
Stef
On 24 avr. 06, at 13:03, Alan Kay wrote:
> I also think a new mailing list for newcomers would be a good idea.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Alan
>
> At 03:49 AM 4/24/2006, Elod Kironsky wrote:
>> Hi!
>>
>> I really agree with Stef and don't think a new mailing-list will
>> do harm to anybody. It is absolutely true, that
>> some advanced topics on squeak-dev may be very frustrating to
>> squeak newbies and scare them away from
>> writing to the conference. If there will be no posts to the new
>> list, then it can be deleted anyway, so what is the
>> problem? If someone thinks this behavior of Stefs is autocratic,
>> then well, let the newbies decide. Anyone, who
>> feels to be a newbie and is reading this mail, please write to
>> this list and place a vote wheter you would like a
>> squeak-newbie list or not. You can count me in of course ;-)
>>
>> Elod
>>
>>> Hi guys
>>>
>>> You know what? I found you really conservative and sitting on your
>>> knowledge.
>>> Do you really want to stay in your private club, be dandy, do not
>>> invite anybody to learn and grow?
>>> Because you think that people are not afraid of our discussions?
>>> Really?
>>>
>>> May be this starter mailing-list will fail but I will have dare to
>>> try instead of staying with your
>>> certainty about life and facts.
>>>
>>> My GOAL IS NOT TO SPLIT SQUEAK_DEV. My goal is to give a chance to
>>> people
>>> that are afraid or do not want to receive sometimes 50 emails per
>>> day
>>> to communicate with us.
>>> These are years that because of technological aspects we did not
>>> create such a list.
>>>
>>>
>>> Here is what ralph told me, so either we do it publicly via
>>> squeakfondation as a normal and public list
>>> as the fact that we acknowledge that newcomers are ***welcome*** in
>>> our cool community, or I create
>>> a mailing in an obscure mail server and I will advertize it. I let
>>> you decide. But I will do it (you know me
>>> and I will fail and take the responsibility of this failure if it
>>> fails but at least I could be looking at this scar
>>> and be proud of it).
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just make a list and then advertise it. In fact, you might make
>>>> several lists, for different languages.
>>>>
>>>> As long as I've been on the Squeak list, people have argued against
>>>> splitting the list. However, if Squeak is to grow, the list must
>>>> split. When a list gets large, people don't want to post.
>>>> When the people who post are experts, beginners get shy. If
>>>> you want to grow the community, the lists must split.
>>>>
>>>> Fortunately, you don't need to take a vote. Just create a list and
>>>> advertise it, and the people who want to join will join, and the
>>>> others won't.
>>>>
>>>> -Ralph
>>>
>>>
>>> Stef
>>>
>>
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