Looking for good souls

Andreas Raab andreas.raab at gmx.de
Mon Apr 24 18:49:10 UTC 2006


Isn't this statement going a teenie weenie bit too far? You seem indeed 
to be saying that you need a "friendlier" list because this is a 
"conservative, private, dandy club, not inviting anybody to learn and 
grow and sitting on its knowledge". Harsh words even by my standards.

BTW, even though Ralph is obviously right on a global scale, the 
question needs to be asked whether *now* is the time to add an extra 
mailing list or not. Given the debate we've seen I'm more on  the 
sceptical side - it doesn't seem like there is an obvious need but 
sometimes these things take time to develop so we shall see.

The one thing I believe will be critical however, is that the mailing 
list is easily recognizable. Thus far, most people refer to this mailing 
list simply as THE squeak mailing list which (given historical context) 
is correct - but if you want to avoid newbies to feel like second-class 
citizens we should have simple and clear names. And I'll withstand the 
temptation to offer my $.02 for such a name here ;-)

Cheers,
   - Andreas

stéphane ducasse wrote:
> Hi guys
> 
> You know what? I found you really conservative and sitting on your 
> knowledge.
> Do you really want to stay in your private club, be dandy, do not invite 
> anybody to learn and grow?
> Because you think that people are not afraid of our discussions? Really?
> 
> May be this starter mailing-list will fail but I will have dare to try 
> instead of staying with your
> certainty about life and facts.
> 
> My GOAL IS NOT TO SPLIT SQUEAK_DEV. My goal is to give a chance to people
> that are afraid or do not want to receive sometimes 50 emails per day to 
> communicate with us.
> These are years that because of technological aspects we did not create 
> such a list.
> 
> 
> Here is what ralph told me, so either we do it publicly via 
> squeakfondation as a normal and public list
> as the fact that we acknowledge that newcomers are ***welcome*** in our 
> cool community, or I create
> a mailing in an obscure mail server and I will advertize it. I let you 
> decide. But I will do it (you know me
> and I will fail and take the responsibility of this failure if it fails 
> but at least I could be looking at this scar
> and be proud of it).
> 
>>
>> Just make a list and then advertise it.  In fact, you might make 
>> several lists, for different languages.
>>
>> As long as I've been on the Squeak list, people have argued against 
>> splitting the list.  However, if Squeak is to grow, the list must 
>> split.  When a list gets large, people don't want to post.  When the 
>> people who post are experts, beginners get shy.  If you want to grow 
>> the community, the lists must split.
>>
>> Fortunately, you don't need to take a vote.  Just create a list and 
>> advertise it, and the people who want to join will join, and the 
>> others won't.
>>
>> -Ralph
> 
> Stef
> 
> 




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