Looking for good souls

Milan Zimmermann milan.zimmermann at sympatico.ca
Tue Apr 25 02:31:36 UTC 2006


On 2006 April 24 06:49, Elod Kironsky wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I really agree with Stef and don't think a new mailing-list will do harm
> to anybody. It is absolutely true, that
> some advanced topics on squeak-dev may be very frustrating to squeak
> newbies and scare them away from
> writing to the conference. If there will be no posts to the new list,
> then it can be deleted anyway, so what is the
> problem? If someone thinks this behavior of Stefs is autocratic, then
> well, let the newbies decide. Anyone, who
> feels to be a newbie and is reading this mail, please write to this list
> and place a vote wheter you would like a
> squeak-newbie list or not. 

+1 - If such list is created I will subscribe to it. And if many on squeak-dev 
subscribe, I do not think it would cause a schism/split :) 

Milan

> You can count me in of course ;-) 
>
> Elod
>
> > Hi guys
> >
> > You know what? I found you really conservative and sitting on your
> > knowledge.
> > Do you really want to stay in your private club, be dandy, do not
> > invite anybody to learn and grow?
> > Because you think that people are not afraid of our discussions? Really?
> >
> > May be this starter mailing-list will fail but I will have dare to
> > try instead of staying with your
> > certainty about life and facts.
> >
> > My GOAL IS NOT TO SPLIT SQUEAK_DEV. My goal is to give a chance to
> > people
> > that are afraid or do not want to receive sometimes 50 emails per day
> > to communicate with us.
> > These are years that because of technological aspects we did not
> > create such a list.
> >
> >
> > Here is what ralph told me, so either we do it publicly via
> > squeakfondation as a normal and public list
> > as the fact that we acknowledge that newcomers are ***welcome*** in
> > our cool community, or I create
> > a mailing in an obscure mail server and I will advertize it. I let
> > you decide. But I will do it (you know me
> > and I will fail and take the responsibility of this failure if it
> > fails but at least I could be looking at this scar
> > and be proud of it).
> >
> >> Just make a list and then advertise it.  In fact, you might make
> >> several lists, for different languages.
> >>
> >> As long as I've been on the Squeak list, people have argued against
> >> splitting the list.  However, if Squeak is to grow, the list must
> >> split.  When a list gets large, people don't want to post.  When  the
> >> people who post are experts, beginners get shy.  If you want to  grow
> >> the community, the lists must split.
> >>
> >> Fortunately, you don't need to take a vote.  Just create a list and
> >> advertise it, and the people who want to join will join, and the
> >> others won't.
> >>
> >> -Ralph
> >
> > Stef



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